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    Re: Youth pastor charged with murder in fight outside Las Vegas bar

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    I can see bringing Cox up on charges, but murder? Seriously? How in the bloody blazes could this have be premeditated. Manslaughter at worse and more likely justifiable manslaughter. And to list him as a fugitive was just the worse move that they could make I think.
    The story makes no reference to a police statement that Cox was assaulted. His claim of self defense will be evaluated by a judge/jury. I agree that a fugitive description is off the mark unless he refused a summons to appear.

    Cox initially told police he punched Ellingson in the face but then later clarified that he pushed Ellingson and both men fell to the ground, the Bee reported.

    Ellingson slipped into a coma from his head injury and died six months later. The county coroner concluded his death was a homicide, but the church claims prosecutors in Las Vegas told Cox and his family that they believed the incident to be self-defense.
    By his own admission, Cox stated that he knocked/pushed the "victim" to the ground (later ruled the cause of death), a (larger?) 35 year old and two (younger?) interns will get to explain how they were all assaulted by a 55 year old in the parking lot. Self defense, even for a broken finger (prior to the fall?), may be hard to sell to a jury. Cox seems to have the advantage of two (friendly?) witnesses so I would imagine that the prosecutor may have other witnesses/evidence in order to bring that charge.
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    Re: Youth pastor charged with murder in fight outside Las Vegas bar

    This felony murder fugitive is lucky a SWAT team didn't flash-bang his kids to death in the process of serving a no-knock 3 a.m. warrant.

    Had the police decided to go that route it would certainly have made more sense, on paper, than a similar warrant service on the home of a low-level drug dealer with no known history of violence.
    “Now it is not good for the Christian’s health to hustle the Aryan brown,
    For the Christian riles, and the Aryan smiles and he weareth the Christian down;
    And the end of the fight is a tombstone white with the name of the late deceased,
    And the epitaph drear: “A Fool lies here who tried to hustle the East.”

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    Re: Youth pastor charged with murder in fight outside Las Vegas bar

    What ever happened to turn the other cheek? Or being the bigger man and just walking away?

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    Re: Youth pastor charged with murder in fight outside Las Vegas bar

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Perhaps the police had reason not to believe his "I pushed him and he fell down and died!" story. The coroner apparently said it was homicide, if there were multiple blunt force impacts it might imply repeatedly bashing the guys skull into the concrete.
    Or maybe they do what they always do which is over charge, scare the crap out of him with a threat of life inprison, so they can get a plea on a lesser charge guilty or not.

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    Re: Youth pastor charged with murder in fight outside Las Vegas bar

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    Or maybe they do what they always do which is over charge, scare the crap out of him with a threat of life inprison, so they can get a plea on a lesser charge guilty or not.
    And retrieve a huge fine.

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    Re: Youth pastor charged with murder in fight outside Las Vegas bar

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    And retrieve a huge fine.
    Well yes that is the most important part for them.

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    Re: Youth pastor charged with murder in fight outside Las Vegas bar

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    I can see bringing Cox up on charges, but murder? Seriously? How in the bloody blazes could this have be premeditated. Manslaughter at worse and more likely justifiable manslaughter. And to list him as a fugitive was just the worse move that they could make I think.
    Especially in light of the fact that it appears to have been self-defense, if the quoted excerpt is accurate. This makes no sense to me.
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    Re: Youth pastor charged with murder in fight outside Las Vegas bar

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    By his own admission, Cox stated that he knocked/pushed the "victim" to the ground (later ruled the cause of death), a (larger?) 35 year old and two (younger?) interns will get to explain how they were all assaulted by a 55 year old in the parking lot. Self defense, even for a broken finger (prior to the fall?), may be hard to sell to a jury. Cox seems to have the advantage of two (friendly?) witnesses so I would imagine that the prosecutor may have other witnesses/evidence in order to bring that charge.
    Based on other articles I've found on this issue it would seem that Cox initially told police on the scene that that he punched Ellingson in the face with his left (injured) hand.

    Later, Cox provided a written account of the incident in which all details were the same, except that in the written statement he made no mention of punching Ellingson but instead changed his claim to reflect that he grabbed Ellingson during a struggle, wrapped his arms around the larger man, and the two fell down at which point Cox's finger was injured (broken) and Ellingson was rendered unconscious.

    However, investigators have video of parts of the altercation and in the video Ellingson is seen falling down as a result of *something* but Cox does not fall with him and does not have his arms wrapped around Ellingson at the time. Ellingson remains on the ground unconscious until he is taken away by medical personnel.

    So it would seem that Cox gave conflicting accounts of the incident that do not square with physical evidence in the possession of the prosecutor and that at least some "witnesses" to the altercation (Cox's wife for sure, perhaps others) provided statements that match Cox's written statement but also are at odds with the physical evidence.

    What happened in Vegas? California pastor faces murder charge after bar scuffle | Fox News

    Obviously there's no way to say at this point what's true and what isn't but at best, at the moment, I'd say that Cox, if nothing else, is a victim of the phenomenon of the "cover-up" biting him in the ass whereas the actual "crime" may not have.
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    “Now it is not good for the Christian’s health to hustle the Aryan brown,
    For the Christian riles, and the Aryan smiles and he weareth the Christian down;
    And the end of the fight is a tombstone white with the name of the late deceased,
    And the epitaph drear: “A Fool lies here who tried to hustle the East.”

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    Re: Youth pastor charged with murder in fight outside Las Vegas bar

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    If he ain't rich, he'll face the full, bloated force of our prison system. We do imprison more people per capita than any other nation in the world.
    Or, if the judge is a Libbo.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Youth pastor charged with murder in fight outside Las Vegas bar

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    Well yes that is the most important part for them.
    Always is. The cost of long term probation, classes, community service, servicing the law suit, bail. Nevada is set to make thousands off this guy.
    Oh, and he better hope his interns are ready to go to trial for him. Friends usually become scarce once trouble starts. And if there were any time in his life were he was prone to getting into fights or history of a temper. He is screwed.

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