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    Re: Big Loss of Teachers Union in California

    Quote Originally Posted by Fishstyx View Post
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    My position is the middle ground. The only unions I think should be illegal would be the public sector. I would never advocate making private sector unions illegal. But at the same time, their membership should never be statutorily required either, automatically docked, etc. This way, the union has to truly be about the workers as they have to earn their members.
    Government supervisors can mistreat their employees just as much as the private sector.

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    Re: Big Loss of Teachers Union in California

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Yes, we can. Who says it's the union's responsibility to try to save the job of a jerk? Who says that?? When a teacher's union decides to defend a teacher who has been accused of sexual abuse, it's made a morally repugnant choice. When it decides to defend a teacher who slaps a student? It's made a morally repugnant choice.

    You think this makes sense?



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    This is one of thousands.
    Unions reps act as defacto lawyers when an employee is disciplined. Like real lawyers they are obligated to defend even guilty or bad employees. However, from my personal experience, they will generally not fight as hard for a bad employee as for a good one. If you don't like how discipline decisions are being made, you shouldn't blame the union. It is the school's administration, with the consent of the elected school board, that makes the ultimate decision.

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    Re: Big Loss of Teachers Union in California

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Unions reps act as defacto lawyers when an employee is disciplined. Like real lawyers they are obligated to defend even guilty or bad employees. However, from my personal experience, they will generally not fight as hard for a bad employee as for a good one. If you don't like how discipline decisions are being made, you shouldn't blame the union. It is the school's administration, with the consent of the elected school board, that makes the ultimate decision.
    The whole reason decisions are made the way they're made is because of tenure.

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    Re: Big Loss of Teachers Union in California

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    The whole reason decisions are made the way they're made is because of tenure.
    I'm pro-union, but not necessarily in favor of tenure.

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    Re: Big Loss of Teachers Union in California

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    if you knew you wouldnt call them paid worker.


    tell me how you know..
    They are a paid worker. What else are they?

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    Re: Big Loss of Teachers Union in California

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    It is high time that we end all public employee unions....
    Oh, absolutely! I've worked with various public employee unions and although anecdotal, my experience has been that the unions know that unlike private industry, there is no chance that the city, county or municipality will close its doors via bankruptcy, because the public entity can simply raise taxes to acquire the necessary revenue to meet union demands. The taxpayers, unlike consumers who can choose to purchase from competitors when union demands create soaring product prices, are held captive, their wallets raped, and they literally have no say whatsoever about it.

    Public employee unions should be illegal nation wide.

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    Re: Big Loss of Teachers Union in California

    Big Loss of Teachers Union in California

    This is a big win for our children and the future of America, if it's not to late.

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    Re: Big Loss of Teachers Union in California

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    They have evolved to that point, yes. One might even say they've become self-destructive.

    This is a classic example that the human species doesn't know when to stop. Doesn't know when well enough is good enough. Unions do indeed serve a positive purpose, and we would not be well-served if they were to disappear completely, but when they started blindly defending clearly grossly incompetent workers, as just one example, that was too much and it was only a matter of time when they'd get reined in.
    Unions can serve a positive purpose. They can also serve many destructive ones. They function like parasites, utilizing coercion or its' threat to siphon resources off of the host. Some parasites, however, have stupid evolutionary strategies, and grow so large that they siphon off too much, and kill the host upon which they are dependent.

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    Re: Big Loss of Teachers Union in California

    Quote Originally Posted by Amandi View Post
    Please provide proof of the bolded. It was introduced by Robert Owen, not as a business owner but as a reformer; and it was the unions that got it accepted.

    Eight-hour day - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    The Origin of the 8-Hour Work Day and Why We Should Rethink It
    AccuConference | Who invented the eight-hour workday?
    Actually, one of your own articles has it. The Ford Motor motor company was one of the first to actual implement it. Not by a union, but Henry Ford's view which is summarized by the rest of the bolded portion.

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    Re: Big Loss of Teachers Union in California

    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    They are a paid worker. What else are they?
    arrogance is such a thing
    "Sovereignty is not given, it is taken." ATATÜRK

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