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Report: Swastikas found in apartment of Las Vegas cop killers[W:251]

FreedomFromAll said:
But you are racist too' isnt a good defense for anyone. Face it the Republican and Democrat parties such have sucked for a good deal of time now. And their suckiness is irrelevant to the fact that the predicted militia killing spree would result from a bunch of militia folk getting together at the Bundy ranch. Several posters made that observation in the Bundy threads on this board. ANd unfortunately we were right. Bundy is partly to blame because he called in the militia folk and got them all riled up.

And the only reason that Bundy's kicked out Jared miller is because he was a felon. But dont worry the Bundy's are no longer baggage for the Republican party since they registered as Independent American Party voters. So there it's no longer a Republican vs Democratic issue.
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Yet I'm only listening to rap and am a major producer of rap - but I'm a racist???
 
FreedomFromAll said:
Well except the guy in the video fired first and the Feds still havent shot any militia idiots\Bundy's.
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I don't care who fires the first shot - most of us saw Ruby Ridge and Waco...... Obviously the "bad guys" are already have been acknowledged.
 
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FreedomFromAll said:
Well except the guy in the video fired first and the Feds still havent shot any militia idiots\Bundy's.
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That's why starting wars with armed US citizens is a bad idea, and shooting at them is even worse.
 
Verax said:
Conservatism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

edit: here I'll set you up with the whole shebang

Southern strategy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Southern Democrats - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

edit: edit: one more for good measure to make sure you don't miss anything

Solid South - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Wikipedia doesn't know it's head from its arse.

Remember Wiki isn't even considered a valid sources considering it can be edited.... Certainly simple but legit - NO.
 
HogWash said:
27 votes Nay in the Senate...20 democrats 7 Republicans. Byrd was a PoS. So was Thurmond. Had the Republicans not supported it practically enmasse, the bill would NOT have PASSED.
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Doesn't this mean that if Democrats hadn't supported it, it wouldn't have passed either? Actually, Democrats voted 46 for and 21 against in the Senate... meaning they only really needed 5 Republican votes. With that little fact aside (the one where without Democrats party this bill wouldn't have passed - as Republicans didn't have the numbers to pass the bill on their own) let's look at the actual numbers. Since you brought up the numbers, I thought it would be interesting to show this:

Civil Rights Act of 1964 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Senate

Southern Democrats: 1–20 (5–95%) (only Ralph Yarborough of Texas voted in favor)
Southern Republicans: 0–1 (0–100%) (John Tower of Texas)
Northern Democrats: 45–1 (98–2%) (only Robert Byrd of West Virginia voted against)
Northern Republicans: 27–5 (84–16%)
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House

Southern Democrats: 7–87 (7–93%)
Southern Republicans: 0–10 (0–100%)
Northern Democrats: 145–9 (94–6%)
Northern Republicans: 138–24 (85–15%)
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In short, if you were a Southerner, REGARDLESS OF PARTY, you voted against this. It certainly paints a different picture than what you're trying to present. Republicans had a negligible presence in the South at this point but even so, members of the Republican party in the South voted unanimously against this bill. What does that tell us? That you're being disingenuous by trying to paint Republicans as endorsers of the CRA'64. Not only did they take an assisting role in passing the bill, Republicans who lived in the South voted against this bill in greater percentages than their Democratic counterparts.
 
Mr.Nick said:
Wikipedia doesn't know it's head from its arse.

Remember Wiki isn't even considered a valid sources considering it can be edited.... Certainly simple but legit - NO.
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So Wikipedia has been edited as part of an elaborate strategy to revise history? If I were to look at another encyclopedia it would contain a completely different reality?

What if I Googled those terms? Would I find "the truth"? What if I researched the references in those Wikipedia entries, are they all fictional too?

I've heard all this stuff explained on tv as well, are they all part of this elaborate forgery?

Wait a minute... I read about this in school... are my teachers and the textbook publishers part of this as well??? Oh my GOSH! It's a complete liberal conspiracy from top to bottom!!!! The Illuminati are everywhere!?!?
 
Mr.Nick said:
That's why starting wars with armed US citizens is a bad idea, and shooting at them is even worse.
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Are you in a alternate universe? Iask because that didnt happen in this one.

Mr.Nick said:
I don't care who fires the first shot - most of us saw Ruby Ridge and Waco...... Obviously the "bad guys" are already have been acknowledged.
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But Jared Miller shot Innocent people because he is a ****ing loon.

Mr.Nick said:
Yet I'm only listening to rap and am a major producer of rap - but I'm a racist???
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WTF does that have to do with anything that I said? Are you on crack while listening to rap? Disclaimer beware I have no idea what is said in this video because I have never actually listened to it.


Its almost as if you dont even read the posts that you respond to.
 
Verax said:
So Wikipedia has been edited as part of an elaborate strategy to revise history? If I were to look at another encyclopedia it would contain a completely different reality?

What if I Googled those terms? Would I find "the truth"? What if I researched the references in those Wikipedia entries, are they all fictional too?

I've heard all this stuff explained on tv as well, are they all part of this elaborate forgery?

Wait a minute... I read about this in school... are my teachers and the textbook publishers part of this as well??? Oh my GOSH! It's a complete liberal conspiracy from top to bottom!!!! The Illuminati are everywhere!?!?
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Wiki isn't even a legitimate source because it can be edited.
 
FreedomFromAll said:
Are you in a alternate universe? Iask because that didnt happen in this one.

But Jared Miller shot Innocent people because he is a ****ing loon.


WTF does that have to do with anything that I said? Are you on crack while listening to rap? Disclaimer beware I have no idea what is said in this video because I have never actually listened to it.


Its almost as if you dont even read the posts that you respond to.
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I think you watch too much ****ing youtube.

Give me one good reason to give a rational **** about what a progressive has to say?? to them I'm a racist hatemonger who wants to see blacks drown in the sea of capitalism.. Meanwhile you want them to have free boats paid for by me because you don't like me - that or "conservatives" whom I assume you believe are like 70, old and white.
 
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BTW that song sucks...

Lets start with the basics..


 
Oh and all libs will relate to this one:

Especially since one of the ilk likes to talk about crack.

 
Mr.Nick said:
To sum it up in something simple - democrats were racists and supported institutionalized racism. NOW, democrats use non-whites as a voting block by paying them..
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Thus keeping them enslaved.
 
So here is the thing. Yes Bundy was a cheat who used anti-government fervor to gin up support from the right wing noise machine and attracted complete idiots and horrible human beings to his cause. But that doesn't mean he is at all responsible for the lunatics themselves. His call to arms was self-serving and I think traitorous but then I am a crazy liberal right? But just because he attracted people who are willing to kill for some imagined cause doesn't make him a player in their actions. That is completely idiotic. I will say that some of the rhetoric coming from some of the anti-government nuts and the right wing noise machine gives these guys a sense of power. I think there are people with big microphones who are also all about themselves who put on a show and care little about how they might influence someone. But the facts remain. While I find many in the right wing noise machine to be horrible people for their actions, if we hold them responsible for the likes of these two pseudo-revolutionaries then we sink to a level that abdicates their responsibility.

Now I will hold accountable the liars who try to link these two to liberalism, they are as delusional as those who try to link Hitler to left wing causes or fascism to the left. We call those people liars or ignorant of reality.
 
Technically, fascism is more of the autocratic deevolution of the right wing. The left's disfigured abominable child is communism.
 
Mr.Nick said:
I think you watch too much ****ing youtube.
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I guess that you didnt read the disclaimer.

Give me one good reason to give a rational **** about what a progressive has to say?? to them I'm a racist hatemonger who wants to see blacks drown in the sea of capitalism.. Meanwhile you want them to have free boats paid for by me because you don't like me - that or "conservatives" whom I assume you believe are like 70, old and white.
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Normally when people converse they are talking about the same subject. You went off into left field because, I am guessing, your argument died a while a go. I dont care what those Progressives think about you or Conservatives. If it bothers you seek professional help.

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Jesse Booth said:
I thought this thread was about a crazy, racist couple that went on a shooting spree. When did we start talking about rap?
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Nick doesnt actually read what he replies to, so he saw the rap vid and thought we were talking about rap. I hate rap though so perhaps he will talk about metal if I link metal?
 
Hatuey said:
Doesn't this mean that if Democrats hadn't supported it, it wouldn't have passed either? Actually, Democrats voted 46 for and 21 against in the Senate... meaning they only really needed 5 Republican votes. With that little fact aside (the one where without Democrats party this bill wouldn't have passed - as Republicans didn't have the numbers to pass the bill on their own) let's look at the actual numbers. Since you brought up the numbers, I thought it would be interesting to show this:

Civil Rights Act of 1964 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Senate



House



In short, if you were a Southerner, REGARDLESS OF PARTY, you voted against this. It certainly paints a different picture than what you're trying to present. Republicans had a negligible presence in the South at this point but even so, members of the Republican party in the South voted unanimously against this bill. What does that tell us? That you're being disingenuous by trying to paint Republicans as endorsers of the CRA'64. Not only did they take an assisting role in passing the bill, Republicans who lived in the South voted against this bill in greater percentages than their Democratic counterparts.
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Fixed that For You

Southern Democrats: 1–20 (5–95%) (only Ralph Yarborough of Texas voted in favor)
Southern Republicans: 0–2 (0–100%) (John Tower of Texas & Strom Thurman S.C.)
Northern Democrats: 45–1 (98–2%) (only Robert Byrd of West Virginia voted against)
Northern Republicans: 27–5 (84–16%)
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Grand Kleagle Byrd also did the 14 hour filibuster...
 
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HogWash said:
Fixed that For You
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Strom Thurmond was a Democrat at the time and he wasn't a Senator when the bill was passed.

Grand Kleagle Byrd also did the 14 hour filibuster...
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That has absolutely nothing to do with the erroneous image you displayed. Democrats were divided when it came to this bill and so were Republicans. Both sides were divided by the same ideological divide which spurred the civil. Democrats in the North supported the bill, the Democrats in the South - didn't. Republicans in the North supported the bill, the ones in the South - not so much. Presenting support of the civil rights act as a Democrats vs. Republicans issue is not only factually incorrect, it goes against what actually occurred.

However, if we were to use your argument of those who voted vs. those who didn't- the state of Missouri was squarely in the segregationist/racist camp. This is the same state that game us Dredd Scott, joined as a slave state and had Jim Crowe laws.
 
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Hatuey said:
Strom Thurmond was a Democrat at the time and he wasn't a Senator when the bill was passed.
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In this government track LINK of the U.S. Senate Vote https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/88-1964/s268 Strom Thurmond is included AS A REPUBLICAN. This is WHY he left the democrat party.

That has absolutely nothing to do with the erroneous image you displayed. Democrats were divided when it came to this bill and so were Republicans.
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Are you saying my MATH was wrong? That frigging bill (HR7152) would NOT HAVE PASSED WITHOUT THE SUPPORT OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY VOTES. PERIOD. Had the Republicans ALL voted NO, the bill would have FAILED.
 
Lursa said:
The media said that they were there. No details more than that from the story I got on mainstream news.
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They may have been there, for all I know... but that doesn't necessarily mean they were connected to Bundy, or acting with the support of Bundy or any organization involved.


Frankly they sound like standard-issue loonies to me, who likely would have gone off at some point or other over one reason or another.
 
HogWash said:
In this government track LINK of the U.S. Senate Vote https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/88-1964/s268 Strom Thurmond is included AS A REPUBLICAN. This is WHY he left the democrat party.
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Yes, and at the time he took the vote, he was a Democrat. What exactly is your problem with those facts?

Civil Rights Act of 1964 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Act was signed into law by President Lyndon B. Johnson on July 2, 1964, at the White House.
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Strom Thurmond - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

On September 16, 1964, he switched his party affiliation to the Republican Party (GOP), which was seeking to rebuild the party in the South by appealing to conservative white voters.[
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2 months after the act was passed, he switched parties.

Are you saying my MATH was wrong? That frigging bill (HR7152) would NOT HAVE PASSED WITHOUT THE SUPPORT OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY VOTES. PERIOD. Had the Republicans ALL voted NO, the bill would have FAILED.
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I'm saying your explanation of events is wrong. You're essentially downplaying the fact that the majority of Democrats supported this bill so that you can claim that Republicans were essential in passing it. In reality, what was actually needed were a few Republican votes to offset those of Southern politicians. Less than 60 in the House and 5 in the Senate. It's far from the quintessential leading role you want to pretend Republicans had in passing the bill.
 
Hatuey said:
Yes, and at the time he took the vote, he was a Democrat. What exactly is your problem with those facts?

Civil Rights Act of 1964 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



Strom Thurmond - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



2 months after the act was passed, he switched parties.



I'm saying your explanation of events is wrong. You're essentially downplaying the fact that the majority of Democrats supported this bill so that you can claim that Republicans were essential in passing it. In reality, what was actually needed were a few Republican votes to offset those of Southern politicians. Less than 60 in the House and 5 in the Senate. It's far from the quintessential leading role you want to pretend Republicans had in passing the bill.
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It wasn't my decision to include Strom as a Republican on the gov-track website. That makes it even better for the Republicans and WORSE for the democrats. I'll give you that racist...thanks for taking him.:lamo
 
HogWash said:
It wasn't my decision to include Strom as a Republican on the gov-track website. That makes it even better for the Republicans and WORSE for the democrats. I'll give you that racist...thanks for taking him.:lamo
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Here...have a like...;)
 
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