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Report: Swastikas found in apartment of Las Vegas cop killers[W:251]

Glen Contrarian said:
Yet another conservative who twists history to fit his theory.

FYI, those racist Dems were CONSERVATIVES every one. If you'll check your history, after the Civil War and the until the early 1900's, many Republicans were socially LIBERAL in the context of the day. In fact, the Civil Rights Act could not have been passed without liberal Republicans...and it was passed over the rabid objections of conservative Democrats. If you'd check, the South was for generations the Democratic "Solid South"...but after the CRA was passed, the racists in the South blamed the Democratic party and turned to the Republican party...which Nixon embraced with his "Southern Strategy". And that, sir, is why the South is solid red today.

The one place in America more racist than any other has always been the Deep South (and don't get me started - I was raised there and know it very well). The Deep South - ground zero for racism in America - may have been solidly Democratic and is now solidly Republican...but it was always, always, ALWAYS strongly CONSERVATIVE. Always has been. Always will be.
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"Twists history"

I'm not even a "conservative" but I damn well know my history and I know that the democrats were the "good ol' boys of the south" - you think most "old" racists of today are republicans or conservatives? think again - they're straight ticket democrat voters - at least in the south.

You're just living in denial.

And when I get back from the store I will elaborate more.
 
Lakeside said:
Didn't LBJ say that "I will have these NI@@ERS voting Democrat for 100 years" after he signed the Civil Rights Act? The beginning of the New Democratic Slave Plantation..
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He was known to use the slur, but the source for that quote is second-hand from an unofficial biography. It's dubious, at best.
 
HogWash said:
Geesus H. Christ...Kleagle and Democrat Robert Byrd LEAD A FILIBUSTER TO STOP THE CIVIL RIGHTS ACT OF 1964.

I am from the 'old South' junior, and I'm 72 years old. I have no idea what the hell you thought you were contesting...but you sure were beating up the wrong tree.

Who Opposed the Civil Rights Act of 1964? | Stan Collender's Capital Gains and Games

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That all the participants knew this only goes to show how deep their racism was. It’s one thing to engage in a filibuster if there is even a glimmer of hope that something might be salvaged as a result. But serious commitment is required to take such action when one knows that ultimate failure is the only conceivable outcome. This fact should be kept in mind when thinking about people like Senator Robert C. Byrd, Democrat of West Virginia, whose individual filibuster of the 1964 civil rights bill is the second longest in history, taking up eighty-six pages of fine print in the Congressional Record. Only a true believer would ever undertake such a futile effort.

A similar story is told in the Senate. On the critical vote to end the filibuster by Southern Democrats, 71 senators voted to invoke cloture. With 67 votes needed, 44 Democrats and 27 Republicans joined together to bring the bill to a final vote. Of those voting “nay,” 80 percent were Democrats, including Robert C. Byrd and former Vice President Al Gore’s father, who was then a senator from Tennessee. Again, it is clear that the civil rights bill would have failed without Republican votes.
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Gnnnh. Do we really have to have this discussion AGAIN?

Support for the 1964 CRA was divided on geographic lines, not party lines.

Civil Rights Act of 1964 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The original House version:

Southern Democrats: 7–87 (7–93%)
Southern Republicans: 0–10 (0–100%)

Northern Democrats: 145–9 (94–6%)
Northern Republicans: 138–24 (85–15%)

The Senate version:

Southern Democrats: 1–20 (5–95%) (only Ralph Yarborough of Texas voted in favor)
Southern Republicans: 0–1 (0–100%) (John Tower of Texas)
Northern Democrats: 45–1 (98–2%) (only Robert Byrd of West Virginia voted against)
Northern Republicans: 27–5 (84–16%)

Northern Democrats and Republicans were overwhelmingly for it, Southern Democrats and Republicans were overly against it. There just weren't very many Southern Republicans, since the South kinda held a grudge over the Civil War.
 
APACHERAT said:
If you shorten liberal to lib you have a lib.

But most people in the western world see con and it's the shorten word for convict or confidence man.

Libs are always changing the definition of words to further their political agenda.

Read some newspapers and magazines published before Hitler attacked Comrade Stalin in 1941. Better yet go back to 1938 and read how Nazism was looked at.

When Hitler attacked his allie and comrade Joseph Stalin Communist Party USA, what was left of the American progressive movement and some major labor unions like the CIO and UAW had to cover their asses so they had to change the definition of nazism.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/history/188746-1932-interview-adolph-hitler-american.html
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Nope sorry, long before he attacked Stalin there was the Reichstag Fire, which was blamed almost entirely on Communists.
And if you like to dabble in the nascient and embryonic roots of National Socialism and pretend that this is all that matters, it will dovetail nicely with the Tentherism which is now budding in full flower in the American right wing of today. You can also pretend that "the real America" is only that which adheres to the original Articles of Confederation as well if you like.

But it's not true. Just as the AOC and Tentherism are failed ideologies, national socialists recognized the need to move drastically to the right early on.
Heinrich Himmler sowed the seeds of Nazism's right wing ideology in his youth.

"We are of the right and of order. We shall sweep away Jews, Bolsheviks, and liberal democracies as one sweeps away flies."
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And since you mentioned the American interview with Hitler and have made reference to "distribution of wealth" as if that is somehow a smoking gun of Leftist ideology, let's remember that one of the takeaways from that interview has to do with representative government, something fascists and right wingers abhore.

Yet there are certain ideas of government which have general applications, with allowances made for local differences. Europe cannot maintain itself in the uncertain currents of democracy.
Europe needs some kind of authoritarian government.
Formerly it was the monarch who provided this authority.
The Holy Roman Empire is an example.
The autohority can assume different forms but parliamentism is not native to us and does not belong in our tradition.
The parliamentary system has never functioned in Europe.
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Which wing is it that is currently demanding the abolition of the Seventeenth Amendment?
https://s3.amazonaws.com/s3.documentcloud.org/documents/1182339/temporary-platform-committee-report.pdf

1-4 Full Repeal of the
17th Amendment
of the U.S.
Constitution
N Return the appointment of U.S. Senators by the State
Legislatures.
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THE RIGHT WING
 
pbrauer said:
Definitely far right people who are the anti-federal government type like Cliven Bundy

A man and a woman who shot two police officers and then a civilian in Las Vegas on Sunday may have been white supremacists, according to Las Vegas newspapers.

The Las Vegas Sun quoted neighbors at the couple’s apartment complex saying that the two “had a reputation for spouting racist, anti-government views, bragging about their gun collection and boasting that they’d spent time at Cliven Bundy’s ranch during a recent standoff there between armed militia members and federal government agents.”

The Las Vegas Review-Journal reported that police found Swastika symbols in the apartment.

If the two are involved with neo-Nazi or white supremacists groups, the Vegas slayings would be one of several linked to hate movements.

Among recent killings: A former Ku Klux Klan “grand dragon” killed three at two Jewish facilities in a Kansas City suburb in April; a man killed six before killing himself at a Sikh temple in Wisconsin in 2012; and a man killed three officers in Pittsburgh in 2009.

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Report: Swastikas found in apartment of Las Vegas cop killers
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Cause a Swastika is a sign of anti-government..
 
Kobie said:
He was known to use the slur, but the source for that quote is second-hand from an unofficial biography. It's dubious, at best.
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Dubious - it was caught on tape.
 
austrianecon said:
Cause a Swastika is a sign of anti-government..
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A Swastika is a hieroglyphic used by the Egyptians, however many civilizations used the simple symbol.

Hitler used it for its Egyptian origins tho...
 
Kobie said:
So post the audio.
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The audio is classified, and nothing more than a transcript has been released.

I don't believed he used the word "nigger" tho - I think it was "Negro."
 
Mr.Nick said:
A Swastika is a hieroglyphic used by the Egyptians, however many civilizations used the simple symbol.

Hitler used it for its Egyptian origins tho...
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Yes. So it has no relevance in the equation of defining what a person is.
 
Mr.Nick said:
The audio is classified, and nothing more than a transcript has been released.

I don't believed he used the word "nigger" tho - I think it was "Negro."
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The alleged quote in question (the one Lakeview cited) comes from a conversation on Air Force One between LBJ and two governors. It was cited in the 1996 book Inside the White House: The Hidden Lives of the Modern Presidents and the Secrets of the World's Most Powerful Institution and comes from a 1993 interview with with former Air Force One steward Robert M. MacMillan. There is no audio of that. There IS audio of LBJ using the n-word, but it's not that quote.
 
Kobie said:
Gnnnh. Do we really have to have this discussion AGAIN?

Support for the 1964 CRA was divided on geographic lines, not party lines.

Civil Rights Act of 1964 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The original House version:

Southern Democrats: 7–87 (7–93%)
Southern Republicans: 0–10 (0–100%)

Northern Democrats: 145–9 (94–6%)
Northern Republicans: 138–24 (85–15%)

The Senate version:

Southern Democrats: 1–20 (5–95%) (only Ralph Yarborough of Texas voted in favor)
Southern Republicans: 0–1 (0–100%) (John Tower of Texas)
Northern Democrats: 45–1 (98–2%) (only Robert Byrd of West Virginia voted against)
Northern Republicans: 27–5 (84–16%)

Northern Democrats and Republicans were overwhelmingly for it, Southern Democrats and Republicans were overly against it. There just weren't very many Southern Republicans, since the South kinda held a grudge over the Civil War.
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That is a **** load of nonsense - democrats only voted for it because it was manifested by a democrat...

Just like today- democrats vote for the legislation they write and republicans vote for theirs, however that STILL doesn't change the fact that republicans tried to push through a similar bill 15-years earlier and were shot down by democrats.

Besides, it goes way beyond that and into the realm of democrats controlling the south almost entirely.. Back in the day if you didn't vote democrat or even supported a republican or even republican ideas the local sheriff would make your life miserable - along with most of the community. There have been numerous cases of this documented - that's how democrats ruled the south, through violence and intimidation... Hell, there have been feature films made about this travesty and tyranny.

Republicans had little to NO control over the south where "Jim Crow" laws were the rule of thumb...

It's certainly a complicated matter that cannot be summed up into one paragraph or two but it is common knowledge Democrats owned the south.

Hell, look at the civil rights movements in the south - do the dissenters look like republicans? - hell no they were democrats - and pissed off democrats to say the least.

Ever hear of the Dixicrats?....
 
Mr.Nick said:
That is a **** load of nonsense - democrats only voted for it because it was manifested by a democrat...

Just like today- democrats vote for the legislation they write and republicans vote for theirs, however that STILL doesn't change the fact that republicans tried to push through a similar bill 15-years earlier and were shot down by democrats.
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No, it's not a ****load of nonsense. It's called facts. Those are the vote totals. They are irrefutable and incontrovertible fact.

Mr.Nick said:
Besides, it goes way beyond that and into the realm of democrats controlling the south almost entirely.. Back in the day if you didn't vote democrat or even supported a republican or even republican ideas the local sheriff would make your life miserable - along with most of the community. There have been numerous cases of this documented - that's how democrats ruled the south, through violence and intimidation... Hell, there have been feature films made about this travesty and tyranny.

Republicans had little to NO control over the south where "Jim Crow" laws were the rule of thumb...

It's certainly a complicated matter that cannot be summed up into one paragraph or two but it is common knowledge Democrats owned the south.

Hell, look at the civil rights movements in the south - do the dissenters look like republicans? - hell no they were democrats - and pissed off democrats to say the least.

Ever hear of the Dixicrats?....
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Yes, the south was a solid Democratic bloc for about 100 years after the Civil War. I'll give you three guesses as to why, and the first two don't count.
 
Kobie said:
The alleged quote in question (the one Lakeview cited) comes from a conversation on Air Force One between LBJ and two governors. It was cited in the 1996 book Inside the White House: The Hidden Lives of the Modern Presidents and the Secrets of the World's Most Powerful Institution and comes from a 1993 interview with with former Air Force One steward Robert M. MacMillan. There is no audio of that. There IS audio of LBJ using the n-word, but it's not that quote.
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It goes way back before 1993 and if you would really like to you can file FOIA transcripts if you're really interested.
 
Mr.Nick said:
It goes way back before 1993 and if you would really like to you can file FOIA transcripts if you're really interested.
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I'm not the one claiming there is audio of it. You are.
 
Kobie said:
Gnnnh. Do we really have to have this discussion AGAIN?
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What about the Dixie-crats being racists back in the 50s and 60s? I can see why you don't care for the subject matter. That old sumbitch, Byrd went to his grave a damned democrat and a RACIST. He was right there with Orval Faubus, George Wallace and Selma, AL sheriff Bull Connor. And the Republicans had to vote for the bill in 1964, for it to become law.

Again, I can see why you don't like the subject matter.:lamo
 
HogWash said:
What about the Dixie-crats being racists back in the 50s and 60s? I can see why you don't care for the subject matter. That old sumbitch, Byrd went to his grave a damned democrat and a RACIST. He was right there with Orval Faubus, George Wallace and Selma, AL sheriff Bull Connor. And the Republicans had to vote for the bill in 1964, for it to become law.

Again, I can see why you don't like the subject matter.:lamo
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What part of "Southern Democrats were overwhelmingly against it" from my post didn't register? The south was a big fat bloc o' racists back then, Democrat and the few Republicans alike.

I don't see how posting actual, objective, incontrovertible facts about the CRA voting constitutes "not liking the subject matter."
 
Thrilla said:
factually incorrect.
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No, it's factually correct and everybody knows it except Libertarians. Let me put it in more simple terms. Libs like government and would like it to be active in society. Cons want less government, and the less they want the more Con they are. Unless you are now telling me that Libertarians actually love government and want more of it.
 
HogWash said:
What about the Dixie-crats being racists back in the 50s and 60s? I can see why you don't care for the subject matter. That old sumbitch, Byrd went to his grave a damned democrat and a RACIST. He was right there with Orval Faubus, George Wallace and Selma, AL sheriff Bull Connor. And the Republicans had to vote for the bill in 1964, for it to become law.

Again, I can see why you don't like the subject matter.:lamo
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I considered replying to this, but Kobie did a pretty good job of giving you a history lesson.
 
HogWash said:
What about the Dixie-crats being racists back in the 50s and 60s? I can see why you don't care for the subject matter. That old sumbitch, Byrd went to his grave a damned democrat and a RACIST. He was right there with Orval Faubus, George Wallace and Selma, AL sheriff Bull Connor. And the Republicans had to vote for the bill in 1964, for it to become law.

Again, I can see why you don't like the subject matter.:lamo
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How interesting that you left out Strom Thurmond.
And Byrd apologized. Thurmond didn't.

Q: What has been your biggest mistake and your biggest success?

A: Well, it's easy to state what has been my biggest mistake. The greatest mistake I ever made was joining the Ku Klux Klan. And I've said that many times. But one cannot erase what he has done. He can only change his ways and his thoughts. That was an albatross around my neck that I will always wear. You will read it in my obituary that I was a member of the Ku Klux Klan.

Robert Byrd - Interview with CNN's Bernard Shaw in Dec. 1993
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And actually, for the record, Byrd originally renounced his racist past in 1982 in the aftermath of a traffic accident in which his grandson was killed.
And actually, George Wallace ALSO renounced his racist views as well, and just like Byrd, he did so LONG before his death.
Byrd even said that he regretted voting AGAINST the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

You're just another one of the revisionists who pretends that the Dixiecrats of yesterday didn't become the Southern Republicans of today.
There are a lot of you out there, which means there are a lot of LIARS out there.

It's okay really, you guys are all dreaming of fighting the Civil War all over again.
I suspect that you will get the chance to experience defeat once again, too.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
How interesting that you left out Strom Thurmond.
And Byrd apologized. Thurmond didn't.



And actually, for the record, Byrd originally renounced his racist past in 1982 in the aftermath of a traffic accident in which his grandson was killed.
And actually, George Wallace ALSO renounced his racist views as well, and just like Byrd, he did so LONG before his death.
Byrd even said that he regretted voting AGAINST the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

You're just another one of the revisionists who pretends that the Dixiecrats of yesterday didn't become the Southern Republicans of today.
There are a lot of you out there, which means there are a lot of LIARS out there.

It's okay really, you guys are all dreaming of fighting the Civil War all over again.
I suspect that you will get the chance to experience defeat once again, too.
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Nailed.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
There is nothing left wing about fascism, and any attempt to link it to the Left finds one running head on into
quotes by one of Fascism's most notable authors:



You will note that I did not dredge up Aaron Russo's falsely attributed "Fascism should be more right called corporatism because it is the merger of corporate and state power" however I will be more than happy to dredge through my collection of Mussolini's writings and supply a very hearty equivalent summation.
It's just not going to be distilled into a snappy sounding one liner.

Fascism's record is that of rent-seeking, corporate favors for government friends of big business, powerful and all consuming nationalism bound up in idealistic campaigns that promote ethnic and racial purity, militarism and misogny.

Corporate groups are social classes in a fascist economy, hence the reason why it is so important to regard corporations not as collections of people but as A PERSON.
If you wish to call it inverse socialism or inverted socialism, go ahead.

But it's not leftist. It's not even remotely liberal.
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"Liberal" does not inherently mean left-wing, though modern American liberals would be left-of-center, and left-wing ideology is by no means limited to traditional socialism. You have a very misguided understanding of Fascism, its approach to the economy, and the nature of left-wing ideology. Within the Fascist State there is no free enterprise as a highly-centralized system of economic governance is established that is kept subordinate to the State. It does not treat corporations as persons, but as cogs within the State machine, just like everything else. Private ownership is often allowed, but this is still centrally-managed by the State. All market forces are united within the State, even "private" enterprise. While that is different from traditional socialism, it is still a left-wing economic theory.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
How interesting that you left out Strom Thurmond.
And Byrd apologized. Thurmond didn't.
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27 votes Nay in the Senate...20 democrats 7 Republicans. Byrd was a PoS. So was Thurmond. Had the Republicans not supported it practically enmasse, the bill would NOT have PASSED.



And actually, for the record, Byrd originally renounced his racist past in 1982 in the aftermath of a traffic accident in which his grandson was killed.
And actually, George Wallace ALSO renounced his racist views as well, and just like Byrd, he did so LONG before his death.
Byrd even said that he regretted voting AGAINST the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

You're just another one of the revisionists who pretends that the Dixiecrats of yesterday didn't become the Southern Republicans of today.
There are a lot of you out there, which means there are a lot of LIARS out there.

It's okay really, you guys are all dreaming of fighting the Civil War all over again.
I suspect that you will get the chance to experience defeat once again, too.
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Byrd should have resigned from Congress and taken his GD KKK sheet with him. You democrats are hypocrites deluxe.
 
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HogWash said:
27 votes Nay in the Senate...20 democrats 7 Republicans. Byrd was a PoS. So was Thurmond. Had the Republicans not supported it practically enmasse, the bill would NOT have PASSED.





Byrd should have resigned from Congress and taken his GD KKK sheet with him. You democrats are hypocrites deluxe.
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Again, repeating for all needing:

You're just another one of the revisionists who pretends that the Dixiecrats of yesterday didn't become the Southern Republicans of today.
There are a lot of you out there, which means there are a lot of LIARS out there.
 
Demon of Light said:
"Liberal" does not inherently mean left-wing, though modern American liberals would be left-of-center, and left-wing ideology is by no means limited to traditional socialism. You have a very misguided understanding of Fascism, its approach to the economy, and the nature of left-wing ideology. Within the Fascist State there is no free enterprise as a highly-centralized system of economic governance is established that is kept subordinate to the State. It does not treat corporations as persons, but as cogs within the State machine, just like everything else. Private ownership is often allowed, but this is still centrally-managed by the State. All market forces are united within the State, even "private" enterprise. While that is different from traditional socialism, it is still a left-wing economic theory.
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So you're still attempting to equate American liberals LIBERALS, DEMOCRATS - errrmmm, ANYONE WHO DISAGREES WITH THE GOP/TP with Hitler and the Third Reich, yes?
If not, how is this germaine to the discussion of the ongoing revisionism which is spreading like kudzu in the American dialogue today?
 
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