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    Re: Report: Swastikas found in apartment of Las Vegas cop killers[W:251]

    Several years back here in Chicago at the Daley Center we had a Tea Party rally and they had a reporter there that was so disgusted with our politics. Well she tried to interview me for the local news - well she kept on asking me the oddest questions - like she was trying her best to portray me as a racist or something.

    She was asking questions like" "is this a racially motivated rally" and "do you hate the government or just minorities," and I'm like lady this is a rally for limited government, less taxation and more freedom and her response was "so this is a racist rally and you're basically sponsoring terrorism" I was like - I'm done with you lady. She was from channel 7 Chicago News.

    The look on her face was telling tho. If she had an AK she would have mowed everyone down.

    I had a picture of her just sitting in a corner steaming on my old digital camera - it was hilarious.

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    Re: Report: Swastikas found in apartment of Las Vegas cop killers[W:251]

    Ahh, so much fun to watch a hard right winger defend liberals because they were called Republicans back then.

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    Re: Report: Swastikas found in apartment of Las Vegas cop killers[W:251]

    Quote Originally Posted by Verax View Post
    Ahh, so much fun to watch a hard right winger defend liberals because they were called Republicans back then.
    What do you think a "right winger" actually is?

    If anything progressives are on the right and conservatives are on the left.

    Just like democrats should be red and republicans should be blue.

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    Re: Report: Swastikas found in apartment of Las Vegas cop killers[W:251]

    Quote Originally Posted by Demon of Light View Post
    Who said I was doing that? I am just trying to correct the mistaken notion that Fascist/Nazi = right-wing.
    To be continued, I respectfully disagree.

    Quote Originally Posted by Demon of Light View Post
    The OP is the one who is trying to tack the Nazi label onto any and everything opposed to Democrats on the misrepresented basis of what a couple of unstable individuals did at a pizzeria. What is really funny is how people were like "Tea Party flag!" as though the Gadsden flag did not have hundreds of years of history in the United States.
    The Gadsden Flag does indeed have a very long and storied history which is not connected to the Tea Party.
    But that's worth what? Two hundred years ago, if you told someone you were gay, they'd want to know what the happy occasion was.

    I have to chuckle if you're trying to say that the Gadsden Flag IS NOT an adopted symbol of the Tea Party.
    Please, take a moment to observe the results of this simple image search:

    local tea party flags - Google Search

    My God, are you mad? They even use it as a LICENSE PLATE.
    So suffice it to say, if a modern person in the year 2014 uses a Gadsden Flag, they're aligning themselves with the Tea Party, just
    like if a modern person says they're gay, they explaining that they have a homosexual lifestyle, just like if a person shows you a little man
    in a tux wearing a top hat and a monocle, they're most likely indicating some affiliation with the Parker Brothers game known as MONOPOLY.

    Whatever the Gadsden Flag was used for hundreds of years ago was just that, what it was hundreds of years ago.
    Today, it's used to symbolize the Tea Party.

    You're going to have better luck convincing people that someone flashing their index and third finger in a V formation means a Roman soldier ordering
    five cups of ale. :

    Now, if you simply want to venture a gut feeling that these two dumb punks chose the "Tea Party" Gadsden Flag with about as much care as they chose the swastikas, I may actually be inclined to agree with you because even though I suspect that they had some right wing leanings they appeared to be all over the map for the most part.

    After taking a nice long look at Jared's page, the only thing I do not see much of is liberal trends and tendencies.
    But I see an awful lot of ANTI-liberal agitprop.

    Here, take a look for yourself and you decide what you think his political leanings were.
    I say it's fairly obvious.

    https://www.facebook.com/jerad.miller.1
    If I didn't respond to your diatribe, it's possible you may have
    engaged in revisionism or broad sweeping generalizations.
    I don't have time for either, and you're probably on my IGNORE list.

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    Re: Report: Swastikas found in apartment of Las Vegas cop killers[W:251]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Of course you believe it because you want to believe it....

    Kinda like that census worker who committed suicide by hanging himself and scratching the words "fed" into his stomach before he did it to make it look like a politically motivated murder..... Yeah that's how crazy some progressives are.

    Progressives will resort to suicide for political reasons.

    Hell, I remember a few years back a progressive bit the finger off a Tea Party member in a disagreement over politics.
    I believe it because I LIVED it. I was raised there with all my family. We were all strongly conservative, and we were racist. I'm the "black sheep" of the family, because as time went on I saw through it all, and am now a strong liberal.

    BTW, you say progressives will resort to suicide for political reasons...do you really want to go there? Maybe you found one who did. By the same token, I can point out LOTS of conservatives who murdered people for being black, or being gay. So do you really want to go there? It's cherry-picking to be sure...but there's LOTS more cherries for me to pick than there is for you to pick.
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    Re: Report: Swastikas found in apartment of Las Vegas cop killers[W:251]

    Quote Originally Posted by Checkerboard Strangler View Post
    To be continued, I respectfully disagree.



    The Gadsden Flag does indeed have a very long and storied history which is not connected to the Tea Party.
    But that's worth what? Two hundred years ago, if you told someone you were gay, they'd want to know what the happy occasion was.

    I have to chuckle if you're trying to say that the Gadsden Flag IS NOT an adopted symbol of the Tea Party.
    Please, take a moment to observe the results of this simple image search:

    local tea party flags - Google Search

    My God, are you mad? They even use it as a LICENSE PLATE.
    So suffice it to say, if a modern person in the year 2014 uses a Gadsden Flag, they're aligning themselves with the Tea Party, just
    like if a modern person says they're gay, they explaining that they have a homosexual lifestyle, just like if a person shows you a little man
    in a tux wearing a top hat and a monocle, they're most likely indicating some affiliation with the Parker Brothers game known as MONOPOLY.

    Whatever the Gadsden Flag was used for hundreds of years ago was just that, what it was hundreds of years ago.
    Today, it's used to symbolize the Tea Party.

    You're going to have better luck convincing people that someone flashing their index and third finger in a V formation means a Roman soldier ordering
    five cups of ale. :

    Now, if you simply want to venture a gut feeling that these two dumb punks chose the "Tea Party" Gadsden Flag with about as much care as they chose the swastikas, I may actually be inclined to agree with you because even though I suspect that they had some right wing leanings they appeared to be all over the map for the most part.

    After taking a nice long look at Jared's page, the only thing I do not see much of is liberal trends and tendencies.
    But I see an awful lot of ANTI-liberal agitprop.

    Here, take a look for yourself and you decide what you think his political leanings were.
    I say it's fairly obvious.

    https://www.facebook.com/jerad.miller.1
    No the Gadsden Flag is NOT a symbol of the Tea Party but many libertarians are Tea Party members and support the Tea Party movement. As an active political libertarian I have absolutely no problem with the Tea Party using the Gadsden Flag.

    If it matters, everyday I wear either a Gadsden t-shirt or hat..... Hell I even have a hockey jersey I made myself with the Gadsden patch on a blank Boston Bruins jersey with "Paul" as the name plate.

    Don't tread on me.

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    Re: Report: Swastikas found in apartment of Las Vegas cop killers[W:251]

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    I believe it because I LIVED it. I was raised there with all my family. We were all strongly conservative, and we were racist. I'm the "black sheep" of the family, because as time went on I saw through it all, and am now a strong liberal.

    BTW, you say progressives will resort to suicide for political reasons...do you really want to go there? Maybe you found one who did. By the same token, I can point out LOTS of conservatives who murdered people for being black, or being gay. So do you really want to go there? It's cherry-picking to be sure...but there's LOTS more cherries for me to pick than there is for you to pick.
    Again - what is "conservative" to you?

    Going to Church, voting GOP, believing in less government???

    Conservative can mean a lot of things.

    Hell, there are conservative democrats...

    "conservative" is such a loose term.

    Just because you grew up in the suburbs and were forced to go to church every week and come from a cookie cutter home life doesn't make you a "conservative."

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    Re: Report: Swastikas found in apartment of Las Vegas cop killers[W:251]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    I think you miss the entire point.

    You do realize the republicans tried numerous times to pass a CRA and democrats denied them every time.

    Don't sit here an pretend the democrats invented the CRA when they didn't.

    Republicans tried numerous times to abolish "Jim Crow laws" yet when people say "Jim Crow" the uninformed think "Republican" - when in reality it was the complete opposite.

    I have absolutely no idea how democrats get a free pass for being the biggest bigots and murderers in US history - or even worse - how they managed to blame it all on republicans.
    Southern Democrats.

    And I for one am not blaming all of this on Republicans. Not even remotely.
    But today's Republicans ARE NOT "The Party of Lincoln", and all you have to do is look and listen. Look at what they support and listen to the rhetoric.
    Today's SOUTHERN Republicans look, sound and ACT exactly like the old Dixiecrats.

    If you can't see the change in the last generation, sorry...not my fault.
    The Civil Rights Movement of the 1960's inspired Democrats in the North, East and West to change their tune.
    Their fellow Democrats in the South refused to get in line, and a few smart Republicans wasted no time in capitalizing on it with "the Southern Strategy" which turned the Solid South (which was BLUE) into a deep deep RED.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post

    You do realize the republicans tried numerous times to pass a CRA and democrats denied them every time.
    Yup, you're absolutely CORRECT, up until the 1960's.
    The old Republicans might have drank a little too much of the John Birch Kool Aid but they were all about equality of the races.
    I grant you everything on that.
    The old Democrats looked the other way as their Southern Dems practiced Jim Crow, it's TRUE.

    And then, in the 1960's the whole foundation underneath the "Solid South" started cracking and in a matter of a few short years, "the Good Ole Boys" found themselves CUT LOOSE from the rest of their party.
    Suddenly, after years of being the racists, Dems in the rest of the country grew a conscience.
    If you want to say they did it out of convenience, or to grab power, I am not sure that I could really argue it with you because you might be right.
    If instead you wanted to say that a whole ****load of conscientious and idealistic young liberal KIDS GOADED their older peers into it you might even be more right.
    If you wanted to argue that it was some of both and a perfect storm of the two factors converging, I might have to agree with you.
    Politics is what politics does!

    But once that happened the Southern Dems didn't have the support they needed from the rest of the party anymore and Republicans knew it.
    And I do not BLAME the GOP for excercising the Southern Strategy, it was a smart move.

    But don't try to pretend that didn't happen. It's exactly what happened, which is why today's Southern Republicans look, sound and act like the old Southern Dixiecrats used to.
    If I didn't respond to your diatribe, it's possible you may have
    engaged in revisionism or broad sweeping generalizations.
    I don't have time for either, and you're probably on my IGNORE list.

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    Re: Report: Swastikas found in apartment of Las Vegas cop killers[W:251]

    Quote Originally Posted by Checkerboard Strangler View Post
    Southern Democrats.

    And I for one am not blaming all of this on Republicans. Not even remotely.
    But today's Republicans ARE NOT "The Party of Lincoln", and all you have to do is look and listen. Look at what they support and listen to the rhetoric.
    Today's SOUTHERN Republicans look, sound and ACT exactly like the old Dixiecrats.

    If you can't see the change in the last generation, sorry...not my fault.
    The Civil Rights Movement of the 1960's inspired Democrats in the North, East and West to change their tune.
    Their fellow Democrats in the South refused to get in line, and a few smart Republicans wasted no time in capitalizing on it with "the Southern Strategy" which turned the Solid South (which was BLUE) into a deep deep RED.



    Yup, you're absolutely CORRECT, up until the 1960's.
    The old Republicans might have drank a little too much of the John Birch Kool Aid but they were all about equality of the races.
    I grant you everything on that.
    The old Democrats looked the other way as their Southern Dems practiced Jim Crow, it's TRUE.

    And then, in the 1960's the whole foundation underneath the "Solid South" started cracking and in a matter of a few short years, "the Good Ole Boys" found themselves CUT LOOSE from the rest of their party.
    Suddenly, after years of being the racists, Dems in the rest of the country grew a conscience.
    If you want to say they did it out of convenience, or to grab power, I am not sure that I could really argue it with you because you might be right.
    If instead you wanted to say that a whole ****load of conscientious and idealistic young liberal KIDS GOADED their older peers into it you might even be more right.
    If you wanted to argue that it was some of both and a perfect storm of the two factors converging, I might have to agree with you.
    Politics is what politics does!

    But once that happened the Southern Dems didn't have the support they needed from the rest of the party anymore and Republicans knew it.
    And I do not BLAME the GOP for excercising the Southern Strategy, it was a smart move.

    But don't try to pretend that didn't happen. It's exactly what happened, which is why today's Southern Republicans look, sound and act like the old Southern Dixiecrats used to.
    Dude I don't like present day republicans or democrats - I think they're all full of horse ****.

    But I don't believe republicans are racist no matter how screwed they are presently.

    Republicans aren't the ones handing free money out to minorities to keep them dependent on government just for a vote - that is a trick LBJ figured out - which is why he said: "I'll have every negro voting democrat for the next century." Republicans weren't the ones who thought it was a good idea for those on welfare NOT to have a father in the home - that was the democrats...

    I really don't like republicans myself because they're just as corrupt as democrats but they are also weak, but democrats/progressives IMO I think they are evil - at least those who legislate and are responsible for enslaving minorities to the government.

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    Re: Report: Swastikas found in apartment of Las Vegas cop killers[W:251]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    The turning point came when democrats figured out using blacks for votes instead of lynching them or oppressing them was a better idea.
    Okay well now I believe I have a handle on your age group because no one older than 35 could get away with putting it that way.
    And I'm actually guessing you're in your twenties.
    Anyone out there know for sure, PM me so I can find out if I was close!

    And the reason I say that is because I am 57 years old and I watched it firsthand.
    And I watched the expression on the faces of people I knew as they saw the newsreel footage on TV.
    National TV network coverage of local civil disturbances in the South was something the networks used to avoid.
    There was a gentleman's agreement between affiliates.
    People up North who had never been down South had never seen firsthand accounts of what went on down there.
    That changed a lot of people almost overnight.

    You might want to ask some old folks around you about that.
    Yeah, I think I'm pretty close on guessing your age.
    You cannot possibly be older than 27 to 35 at the most.

    And that's important because someone in my age bracket most likely would not expect to be able to say something like
    "democrats figured out using blacks for votes instead of lynching them or oppressing them was a better idea" with a straight face.

    There WERE NO REGULAR LYNCHINGS UP NORTH, or in the East, or OUT WEST in those days.
    Oh to be sure there was a certain amount of racism everywhere in America but it didn't work like Jim Crow down South.

    And you're sitting here trying to tell someone who grew up in it how much you know about the history of racism in the Democratic Party
    as if I spent my whole life on another planet or something and it just isn't working, you sound like a fool for trying.

    The only Democrats with a lot of experience lynching were the DIXIECRATS down South.
    When the rest of us saw how the good ole boys took care of business, most of us were horrified.
    And when we realized that the whole WORLD was watching, we became embarrassed and ashamed.
    There was no going back to looking the other way anymore and pretending like it never happened.

    And now you're running around trying to paint a picture of Democrats deciding that lynching was suddenly
    out of style in Minneapolis, Dayton Ohio, Pittsburgh, Boston and New York City.

    With a straight face.
    You sound like a fool.
    This **** was serious and you're making a big joke out of it.
    If I didn't respond to your diatribe, it's possible you may have
    engaged in revisionism or broad sweeping generalizations.
    I don't have time for either, and you're probably on my IGNORE list.

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