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    re: Report: Swastikas found in apartment of Las Vegas cop killers[W:251]

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    Re: Report: Swastikas found in apartment of Las Vegas cop killers[W:251]

    Quote Originally Posted by HogWash View Post
    27 votes Nay in the Senate...20 democrats 7 Republicans. Byrd was a PoS. So was Thurmond. Had the Republicans not supported it practically enmasse, the bill would NOT have PASSED.


    Byrd should have resigned from Congress and taken his GD KKK sheet with him. You democrats are hypocrites deluxe.
    Had NORTHERNERS not supported it, it would never have gotten out of committee. Northern Democrats supported the 1964 CRA at a higher rate than Northern Republicans did.
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    Re: Report: Swastikas found in apartment of Las Vegas cop killers[W:251]

    Quote Originally Posted by Checkerboard Strangler View Post
    Again, repeating for all needing:

    You're just another one of the revisionists who pretends that the Dixiecrats of yesterday didn't become the Southern Republicans of today.
    There are a lot of you out there, which means there are a lot of LIARS out there.
    Most of the Dixiecrats either died shortly after 1964, left the party (a la Thurmond) or got voted out of office by equally racist Southern Republicans.

    The efforts to tar the modern Democratic Party (and, by extension, liberals as a whole) based on the sins of their predecessors is just plain dishonest.

    Racism, in one form or another, exists everywhere. Boston, a liberal stronghold, is one of the most racist places I've ever been. Nobody's hands are clean. But there is a concerted effort on the part of many, many conservatives to paint racism as wholly the province of the left, which blatantly ignores 200 years of geographic differences and 50 years of party upheaval to accomplish.

    Robert Byrd (who recanted) will be brought up in these arguments for the next two decades. Strom Thurmond (who didn't) will be ignored into perpetuity by those on the right who are desperate to absolve their chosen party of the sins of the Southern Strategy.
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    Re: Report: Swastikas found in apartment of Las Vegas cop killers[W:251]

    Quote Originally Posted by Checkerboard Strangler View Post
    How interesting that you left out Strom Thurmond.
    And Byrd apologized. Thurmond didn't.



    And actually, for the record, Byrd originally renounced his racist past in 1982 in the aftermath of a traffic accident in which his grandson was killed.
    And actually, George Wallace ALSO renounced his racist views as well, and just like Byrd, he did so LONG before his death.
    Byrd even said that he regretted voting AGAINST the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

    You're just another one of the revisionists who pretends that the Dixiecrats of yesterday didn't become the Southern Republicans of today.
    There are a lot of you out there, which means there are a lot of LIARS out there.

    It's okay really, you guys are all dreaming of fighting the Civil War all over again.
    I suspect that you will get the chance to experience defeat once again, too.
    No other Senator received a 100% approval on his voting record from the NAACP ...
    Senator Byrd did.

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    Re: Report: Swastikas found in apartment of Las Vegas cop killers[W:251]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Had NORTHERNERS not supported it, it would never have gotten out of committee. Northern Democrats supported the 1964 CRA at a higher rate than Northern Republicans did.
    In fact, that was the prime REASON Dixiecrats turned red.
    They felt BETRAYED by their Democrat brethren in the North, East and West.
    It was the college kid Democrats in the East, West and North, idealistic as Hell and raised on tomes like "Black Like Me", "Guess Who's Coming to Dinner", authors like Richard Wright and all the other brave black writers who illuminated the Jim Crow era in stark, graphic terms.
    And it didn't take much to spread the new awareness to their parents either.

    And when Faubus and his pals started in on the schools it was seen nationally and INTERNATIONALLY for the first time. Democrats in the rest of the country had never seen it writ large that way before. And soon the WORLD saw it.
    Make no mistake about it folks, even THE SOVIETS capitalized on the 16mm images of police dogs attacking black busriders and freedom marchers.
    When Dick Gregory published his paperback book "Nigger" it was very nearly the last straw.

    You cannot possibly pull the wool over people's eyes when they have seen it firsthand, when they have seen it in moving images and read the firsthand accounts in black and white on the printed page.
    The young Democrats in the East, North and West were flat out horrified and DISGUSTED and that is when the REST of the Democratic Party SEVERED its connections to institutionalized racism in all its forms, leaving the Southern Dems ALONE in the cold.

    Try as you might to pretend that Democrats everywhere are the original racists, we are closer to the truth than you will ever be.
    We ACKNOWLEDGE our sordid past, we RECOGNIZE that the old Democrats looked the other way, we AGREE that the old Republicans believed in equality.

    HOWEVER, when the Jim Crow South got treated to the disinfecting sunlight of network newsreel cameras, Democrats everywhere but in the South moved on and moved forward. I was there, I grew up in it, I can name all the names and point to all the places. You can fool the young and dumb ignoramuses of the newer generations but every time you try to, we will just pull out our endless shelves of non-fiction, dredge up the old newsreels, pull up our shirtsleeves so you can see the cigarette burns on our arms and the lash marks on our backs.

    You fools can't get away with trying to rewrite history because history is written by the victors and, based on the earthquake in Virginia tonight, you've lost.
    Your radical right wing Tea Party candidates will be annihilated this November.

    The Mason Dixon Line keeps migrating a little further South every month and has been for six years now.
    I suspect it is now somewhere South of Richmond and still sinking.

    Revisionism will be exposed, repeatedly, unswervingly, endlessly, victoriously.
    You'll NEVER get away with it.
    If I didn't respond to your diatribe, it's possible you may have
    engaged in revisionism or broad sweeping generalizations.
    I don't have time for either, and you're probably on my IGNORE list.

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    Re: Report: Swastikas found in apartment of Las Vegas cop killers[W:251]

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    No other Senator received a 100% approval on his voting record from the NAACP ...
    Senator Byrd did.
    I'm certainly not one to go to bat for Robert Byrd, but he at least gave lip service (and voted accordingly) to being contrite for his actions as a young man.

    The people who bring up Byrd and the Klan neglect to mention that he left that rancid organization in the early '50s. They like to act as if he was wearing a white hood on his deathbed.
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    Re: Report: Swastikas found in apartment of Las Vegas cop killers[W:251]

    Quote Originally Posted by Checkerboard Strangler View Post
    In fact, that was the prime REASON Dixiecrats turned red.
    They felt BETRAYED by their Democrat brethren in the North, East and West.
    It was the college kid Democrats in the East, West and North, idealistic as Hell and raised on tomes like "Black Like Me", "Guess Who's Coming to Dinner", authors like Richard Wright and all the other brave black writers who illuminated the Jim Crow era in stark, graphic terms.
    And it didn't take much to spread the new awareness to their parents either.

    And when Faubus and his pals started in on the schools it was seen nationally and INTERNATIONALLY for the first time. Democrats in the rest of the country had never seen it writ large that way before. And soon the WORLD saw it.
    Make no mistake about it folks, even THE SOVIETS capitalized on the 16mm images of police dogs attacking black busriders and freedom marchers.
    When Dick Gregory published his paperback book "Nigger" it was very nearly the last straw.

    You cannot possibly pull the wool over people's eyes when they have seen it firsthand, when they have seen it in moving images and read the firsthand accounts in black and white on the printed page.
    The young Democrats in the East, North and West were flat out horrified and DISGUSTED and that is when the REST of the Democratic Party SEVERED its connections to institutionalized racism in all its forms, leaving the Southern Dems ALONE in the cold.

    Try as you might to pretend that Democrats everywhere are the original racists, we are closer to the truth than you will ever be.
    We ACKNOWLEDGE our sordid past, we RECOGNIZE that the old Democrats looked the other way, we AGREE that the old Republicans believed in equality.

    HOWEVER, when the Jim Crow South got treated to the disinfecting sunlight of network newsreel cameras, Democrats everywhere but in the South moved on and moved forward. I was there, I grew up in it, I can name all the names and point to all the places. You can fool the young and dumb ignoramuses of the newer generations but every time you try to, we will just pull out our endless shelves of non-fiction, dredge up the old newsreels, pull up our shirtsleeves so you can see the cigarette burns on our arms and the lash marks on our backs.

    You fools can't get away with trying to rewrite history because history is written by the victors and, based on the earthquake in Virginia tonight, you've lost.
    Your radical right wing Tea Party candidates will be annihilated this November.

    The Mason Dixon Line keeps migrating a little further South every month and has been for six years now.
    I suspect it is now somewhere South of Richmond and still sinking.

    Revisionism will be exposed, repeatedly, unswervingly, endlessly, victoriously.
    You'll NEVER get away with it.
    I read Black Like Me when I was 12. Didn't get much of it. Read it again when I was about 17. What a brilliant work.

    If you're a sports fan, read Only The Ball Was White, in my opinion the best book on Negro League baseball ever written. It's an eye-popper.
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    Re: Report: Swastikas found in apartment of Las Vegas cop killers[W:251]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    I'm certainly not one to go to bat for Robert Byrd, but he at least gave lip service (and voted accordingly) to being contrite for his actions as a young man.

    The people who bring up Byrd and the Klan neglect to mention that he left that rancid organization in the early '50s. They like to act as if he was wearing a white hood on his deathbed.
    They don't just act like it, a couple of them just said it straight out two pages back
    Selective memory.

    Today's Tea Party faithful ARE blood relatives of the old Dixiecrats of yesteryear.
    If I didn't respond to your diatribe, it's possible you may have
    engaged in revisionism or broad sweeping generalizations.
    I don't have time for either, and you're probably on my IGNORE list.

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    Re: Report: Swastikas found in apartment of Las Vegas cop killers[W:251]

    Quote Originally Posted by Checkerboard Strangler View Post
    They don't just act like it, a couple of them just said it straight out two pages back
    Selective memory.

    Today's Tea Party faithful ARE blood relatives of the old Dixiecrats of yesteryear.
    I won't go that far; sure, there's a few TP types who strike me as full-blooded racists, but again, they're largely a. geographically Southern, and b. facing small electorates. Most of the Tea Party darlings who don't fall into those categories don't strike me as particularly racist. Backwards on a ton of issues, mostly their rabid social conservatism (GAY IS THE NEW BLACK), hyper-religiousness and complete lack of empathy for anyone who is not them, but not racist, per se. Ignorant, sure.
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    Re: Report: Swastikas found in apartment of Las Vegas cop killers[W:251]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    I read Black Like Me when I was 12. Didn't get much of it. Read it again when I was about 17. What a brilliant work.

    If you're a sports fan, read Only The Ball Was White, in my opinion the best book on Negro League baseball ever written. It's an eye-popper.
    Just moved BACK to SoCal a year and a half ago from Mansfield TX, which is the hometown of BLM author John Howard Griffin. (lived there 10 years)
    When his book came out in 1959 the Mayor of Mansfield, a KKK member, had a PARADE down Mansfield's Main Street featuring an effigy of John Howard Griffin being hanged by the neck. When the parade reached the corner of Main and Broad they BURNED Griffin in effigy.

    The death threats forced Griffin to flee with his family to Mexico for almost four years.
    When he returned he couldn't do business ANYWHERE in town without being run off and when he died NO cemetery would take him except "The Old Negro Cemetery" on the outskirts of town.

    When I attempted to visit the grave the black church that owned the property politely explained that nobody was allowed back there and when I asked if I could interview anybody on the history of the area for a short documentary film piece they asked me why I wanted to stir up trouble, and they politely but firmly asked me to leave.
    I asked them why and they replied that it was best if the whole thing was left alone, that they valued their brand new church building and didn't want to see anything happen to it.
    Yes, they came right and said it, in no uncertain terms, without batting an eye.

    BLM was a required reading assignment in our sixth grade class, along with "The Ground Is Our Table" (1966) by Steve Allen.
    (Yes, THAT Steve Allen)
    If I didn't respond to your diatribe, it's possible you may have
    engaged in revisionism or broad sweeping generalizations.
    I don't have time for either, and you're probably on my IGNORE list.

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