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    re: Report: Swastikas found in apartment of Las Vegas cop killers[W:251]

    Quote Originally Posted by Demon of Light View Post
    What a wonderfully intellectual and contemplative response! Tell me, do you know anything about the origins of Fascism? I have a feeling that you have no clue about its origins or its underlying ideology. Fascism and its variants differ from traditional left-wing ideology primarily in their attitudes towards nations and races. Most of the other elements of left-wing ideology are present. I don't consider it a mark against the left generally any more than I consider the Klan to be a mark against libertarianism or state's rights. However, you can't shove your head in the sand and act like your beliefs have never and could never be perverted in much the same way as those of your opponents.
    There is nothing left wing about fascism, and any attempt to link it to the Left finds one running head on into
    quotes by one of Fascism's most notable authors:

    "The Liberal State is a mask behind which there is no face; it is a scaffolding behind which there is no building."

    "Socialism is a fraud, a comedy, a phantom, a blackmail."

    "Fascism is a religious concept."

    “The National Council of Corporations [Consiglio Nazionale delle Corporazioni] is to the Italian economy what the Chief of Staff is to the Army: the thinking brain that prepares and coordinates.”
    You will note that I did not dredge up Aaron Russo's falsely attributed "Fascism should be more right called corporatism because it is the merger of corporate and state power" however I will be more than happy to dredge through my collection of Mussolini's writings and supply a very hearty equivalent summation.
    It's just not going to be distilled into a snappy sounding one liner.

    Fascism's record is that of rent-seeking, corporate favors for government friends of big business, powerful and all consuming nationalism bound up in idealistic campaigns that promote ethnic and racial purity, militarism and misogny.

    Corporate groups are social classes in a fascist economy, hence the reason why it is so important to regard corporations not as collections of people but as A PERSON.
    If you wish to call it inverse socialism or inverted socialism, go ahead.

    But it's not leftist. It's not even remotely liberal.
    If I didn't respond to your diatribe, it's possible you may have
    engaged in revisionism or broad sweeping generalizations.
    I don't have time for either, and you're probably on my IGNORE list.

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    re: Report: Swastikas found in apartment of Las Vegas cop killers[W:251]

    Quote Originally Posted by Sababa View Post
    you actually sound unhinged.

    My point is that you can't simply see what people have in their personal effects to make a conclusion of motive. Crazy people use things to justify their actions. But you want to live in your delusion that is totally up to you. Oh and do people make Bob Dole t-shirts?
    sounds like you have an Obama poster and a YES WE CAN 2008 bumper sticker

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    re: Report: Swastikas found in apartment of Las Vegas cop killers[W:251]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Democrats were the ones who perpetuated slavery and even segregation and the so called "Jim Crow" laws up until the late 50's and even into the civil rights movement of the 60's especially in the south...

    I don't even know how democrats today can seriously consider themselves the party of "tolerance" when they were the party of violence and the KKK for at least 100 years...

    What many don't know is that the republicans continued to push a civil rights act for nearly 15-years and it was denied every time by democrats, until democrats figured out they could use blacks instead of oppressing them - then FINALLY legislation - wrote and manifested by democrats got passed....

    Everyone who knows a damn thing about history knows the democrats are, were and still are the plantation owners - they just abused and used blacks in different ways over the years - noting has really changed.
    Great post Nick..

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    re: Report: Swastikas found in apartment of Las Vegas cop killers[W:251]

    Quote Originally Posted by Checkerboard Strangler View Post
    A Dixiecrat? HAHAHAHAHAHA! That's beautiful, too bad it's so easy to trace the history of the "Southern Strategy" which,
    to quote LBJ, "lost the South for a generation". He was referring to the fact that signing the Civil Rights Act would turn the South from Dixiecrat to Republican, and Nixon capitalized on that very reality.

    When Democrats in the East, Northeast, North, and West aligned themselves with the civil rights movement it left the Dixiecrats as a rudderless ship which found itself being welcomed by the Republicans.

    This proves that you not only swallowed the current pop-psy revisionism whole, it also confirms that you're in denial about historical fact regarding the Old South.
    How old are you, seventeen? I could forgive this if you're just a youngster. (you don't know any better)
    But if you were born before 1980, you're full on trolling.
    Geesus H. Christ...Kleagle and Democrat Robert Byrd LEAD A FILIBUSTER TO STOP THE CIVIL RIGHTS ACT OF 1964.

    I am from the 'old South' junior, and I'm 72 years old. I have no idea what the hell you thought you were contesting...but you sure were beating up the wrong tree.

    Who Opposed the Civil Rights Act of 1964? | Stan Collender's Capital Gains and Games

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    That all the participants knew this only goes to show how deep their racism was. It’s one thing to engage in a filibuster if there is even a glimmer of hope that something might be salvaged as a result. But serious commitment is required to take such action when one knows that ultimate failure is the only conceivable outcome. This fact should be kept in mind when thinking about people like Senator Robert C. Byrd, Democrat of West Virginia, whose individual filibuster of the 1964 civil rights bill is the second longest in history, taking up eighty-six pages of fine print in the Congressional Record. Only a true believer would ever undertake such a futile effort.

    A similar story is told in the Senate. On the critical vote to end the filibuster by Southern Democrats, 71 senators voted to invoke cloture. With 67 votes needed, 44 Democrats and 27 Republicans joined together to bring the bill to a final vote. Of those voting “nay,” 80 percent were Democrats, including Robert C. Byrd and former Vice President Al Gore’s father, who was then a senator from Tennessee. Again, it is clear that the civil rights bill would have failed without Republican votes.
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    re: Report: Swastikas found in apartment of Las Vegas cop killers[W:251]

    Didn't LBJ say that "I will have these NI@@ERS voting Democrat for 100 years" after he signed the Civil Rights Act? The beginning of the New Democratic Slave Plantation..

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    re: Report: Swastikas found in apartment of Las Vegas cop killers[W:251]

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Yet another conservative who twists history to fit his theory.

    FYI, those racist Dems were CONSERVATIVES every one. If you'll check your history, after the Civil War and the until the early 1900's, many Republicans were socially LIBERAL in the context of the day. In fact, the Civil Rights Act could not have been passed without liberal Republicans...and it was passed over the rabid objections of conservative Democrats. If you'd check, the South was for generations the Democratic "Solid South"...but after the CRA was passed, the racists in the South blamed the Democratic party and turned to the Republican party...which Nixon embraced with his "Southern Strategy". And that, sir, is why the South is solid red today.

    The one place in America more racist than any other has always been the Deep South (and don't get me started - I was raised there and know it very well). The Deep South - ground zero for racism in America - may have been solidly Democratic and is now solidly Republican...but it was always, always, ALWAYS strongly CONSERVATIVE. Always has been. Always will be.
    "Twists history"

    I'm not even a "conservative" but I damn well know my history and I know that the democrats were the "good ol' boys of the south" - you think most "old" racists of today are republicans or conservatives? think again - they're straight ticket democrat voters - at least in the south.

    You're just living in denial.

    And when I get back from the store I will elaborate more.

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    re: Report: Swastikas found in apartment of Las Vegas cop killers[W:251]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakeside View Post
    Didn't LBJ say that "I will have these NI@@ERS voting Democrat for 100 years" after he signed the Civil Rights Act? The beginning of the New Democratic Slave Plantation..
    He was known to use the slur, but the source for that quote is second-hand from an unofficial biography. It's dubious, at best.
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    re: Report: Swastikas found in apartment of Las Vegas cop killers[W:251]

    Quote Originally Posted by HogWash View Post
    Geesus H. Christ...Kleagle and Democrat Robert Byrd LEAD A FILIBUSTER TO STOP THE CIVIL RIGHTS ACT OF 1964.

    I am from the 'old South' junior, and I'm 72 years old. I have no idea what the hell you thought you were contesting...but you sure were beating up the wrong tree.

    Who Opposed the Civil Rights Act of 1964? | Stan Collender's Capital Gains and Games

    excerpt

    That all the participants knew this only goes to show how deep their racism was. It’s one thing to engage in a filibuster if there is even a glimmer of hope that something might be salvaged as a result. But serious commitment is required to take such action when one knows that ultimate failure is the only conceivable outcome. This fact should be kept in mind when thinking about people like Senator Robert C. Byrd, Democrat of West Virginia, whose individual filibuster of the 1964 civil rights bill is the second longest in history, taking up eighty-six pages of fine print in the Congressional Record. Only a true believer would ever undertake such a futile effort.

    A similar story is told in the Senate. On the critical vote to end the filibuster by Southern Democrats, 71 senators voted to invoke cloture. With 67 votes needed, 44 Democrats and 27 Republicans joined together to bring the bill to a final vote. Of those voting “nay,” 80 percent were Democrats, including Robert C. Byrd and former Vice President Al Gore’s father, who was then a senator from Tennessee. Again, it is clear that the civil rights bill would have failed without Republican votes.
    Gnnnh. Do we really have to have this discussion AGAIN?

    Support for the 1964 CRA was divided on geographic lines, not party lines.

    Civil Rights Act of 1964 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    The original House version:

    Southern Democrats: 7–87 (7–93%)
    Southern Republicans: 0–10 (0–100%)

    Northern Democrats: 145–9 (94–6%)
    Northern Republicans: 138–24 (85–15%)

    The Senate version:

    Southern Democrats: 1–20 (5–95%) (only Ralph Yarborough of Texas voted in favor)
    Southern Republicans: 0–1 (0–100%) (John Tower of Texas)
    Northern Democrats: 45–1 (98–2%) (only Robert Byrd of West Virginia voted against)
    Northern Republicans: 27–5 (84–16%)

    Northern Democrats and Republicans were overwhelmingly for it, Southern Democrats and Republicans were overly against it. There just weren't very many Southern Republicans, since the South kinda held a grudge over the Civil War.
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    re: Report: Swastikas found in apartment of Las Vegas cop killers[W:251]

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    If you shorten liberal to lib you have a lib.

    But most people in the western world see con and it's the shorten word for convict or confidence man.

    Libs are always changing the definition of words to further their political agenda.

    Read some newspapers and magazines published before Hitler attacked Comrade Stalin in 1941. Better yet go back to 1938 and read how Nazism was looked at.

    When Hitler attacked his allie and comrade Joseph Stalin Communist Party USA, what was left of the American progressive movement and some major labor unions like the CIO and UAW had to cover their asses so they had to change the definition of nazism.

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/histor...-american.html
    Nope sorry, long before he attacked Stalin there was the Reichstag Fire, which was blamed almost entirely on Communists.
    And if you like to dabble in the nascient and embryonic roots of National Socialism and pretend that this is all that matters, it will dovetail nicely with the Tentherism which is now budding in full flower in the American right wing of today. You can also pretend that "the real America" is only that which adheres to the original Articles of Confederation as well if you like.

    But it's not true. Just as the AOC and Tentherism are failed ideologies, national socialists recognized the need to move drastically to the right early on.
    Heinrich Himmler sowed the seeds of Nazism's right wing ideology in his youth.

    "We are of the right and of order. We shall sweep away Jews, Bolsheviks, and liberal democracies as one sweeps away flies."
    And since you mentioned the American interview with Hitler and have made reference to "distribution of wealth" as if that is somehow a smoking gun of Leftist ideology, let's remember that one of the takeaways from that interview has to do with representative government, something fascists and right wingers abhore.

    Yet there are certain ideas of government which have general applications, with allowances made for local differences. Europe cannot maintain itself in the uncertain currents of democracy.
    Europe needs some kind of authoritarian government.
    Formerly it was the monarch who provided this authority.
    The Holy Roman Empire is an example.
    The autohority can assume different forms but parliamentism is not native to us and does not belong in our tradition.
    The parliamentary system has never functioned in Europe.
    Which wing is it that is currently demanding the abolition of the Seventeenth Amendment?
    https://s3.amazonaws.com/s3.document...tee-report.pdf

    1-4 Full Repeal of the
    17th Amendment
    of the U.S.
    Constitution
    N Return the appointment of U.S. Senators by the State
    Legislatures.
    THE RIGHT WING
    If I didn't respond to your diatribe, it's possible you may have
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    I don't have time for either, and you're probably on my IGNORE list.

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    re: Report: Swastikas found in apartment of Las Vegas cop killers[W:251]

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Definitely far right people who are the anti-federal government type like Cliven Bundy

    A man and a woman who shot two police officers and then a civilian in Las Vegas on Sunday may have been white supremacists, according to Las Vegas newspapers.

    The Las Vegas Sun quoted neighbors at the couple’s apartment complex saying that the two “had a reputation for spouting racist, anti-government views, bragging about their gun collection and boasting that they’d spent time at Cliven Bundy’s ranch during a recent standoff there between armed militia members and federal government agents.”

    The Las Vegas Review-Journal reported that police found Swastika symbols in the apartment.

    If the two are involved with neo-Nazi or white supremacists groups, the Vegas slayings would be one of several linked to hate movements.

    Among recent killings: A former Ku Klux Klan “grand dragon” killed three at two Jewish facilities in a Kansas City suburb in April; a man killed six before killing himself at a Sikh temple in Wisconsin in 2012; and a man killed three officers in Pittsburgh in 2009.

    snip~

    Report: Swastikas found in apartment of Las Vegas cop killers
    Cause a Swastika is a sign of anti-government..
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