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    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    some want to live as sheep worrying only about the farmer

    some want to live free and will accept the risk of having to deal with a wolf. But the fact remains, sheep in pens can never escape the farmer. Those in the field can escape the wolf
    And that means living in a society where you are in an arms race with your fellow country men/women? Sorry, but not having weapons does not make someone a sheep and having guns does make them "a farmer" because there is always someone with more or bigger guns.

    Guns do not necessarily make someone safer than without a gun. And again, I am purely talking about the Dutch situation, not the one in the US. The rules that work in the Netherlands go out of the window in the US, not because people are very different but the situation is totally different. Any criminal knows that he will have to come armed to break into someone's house and willing to use it at the first sign of danger. In the Netherlands criminals are "rewarded" for not using violence because the difference between using violence and not using violence is massive in the Netherlands. Also, the risk of the owner of the house being armed himself and posing a danger to the criminal is almost zero, there is little or no need for the criminal to use or even come with a gun when robbing a house.

    You are comparing the American reality with the Dutch reality and that is not possible, we cannot be compared when it comes to guns IMHO. Both are different, not better than one another and not worse than one another, just different.

    You think that guns give you the opportunity to live free, I do not see it like that. I see my way as living free. Not worrying about the wolf because the risk for being hurt by wolves is not that great.
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    re: Ambush leaves 2 Vegas officers and Wal-Mart shopper dead; suspects also dead[W:74]

    Las Vegas ‘revolution’ shooters ID’d as right-wing conspiracy nuts with a deathwish

    Las Vegas ‘revolution’ shooters ID’d as right-wing conspiracy nuts with a deathwish
    By Travis Gettys
    Monday, June 9, 2014 11:32 EDT


    A man who gunned down two police officers and a woman Sunday in Las Vegas left behind social media postings that show his concerns over Benghazi, chemtrails, gun control laws, and the government’s treatment of rancher Cliven Bundy.

    Neighbors identified Jerad and Amanda Miller as the suspects who shot the officers execution-style as they ate lunch at a pizza restaurant, and then shot a woman outside a Walmart in the same plaza.

    The couple’s apartment was searched Monday morning, and authorities in Lafayette, Indiana, confirmed that Las Vegas police had contacted them about the case.

    Witnesses said the couple announced the shootings were the start of a revolution and draped the victims’ bodies with American Revolution-era Gadsden flags — bearing the slogan “Don’t tread on me” — that have become symbols of the Tea Party movement.
    Jerad Miller posted a photo of himself Feb. 8 standing alongside former Sheriff Richard Mack, who promotes the posse comitatus idea that county sheriffs represent the supreme law of the land, during a libertarian sheriff’s debate.
    Congrats to Sean Hannity and Alex Jones and all the other people that pumped up the Bundy love, two dead cops.

    Watch the video of this jackball at the link, crying because he got arrested..again, shirtless...why do all the goobers like this go without shirts and cry like babies..it is like watching an episode of Cops.

    Also, over on FR, they had a thread about these guys and their ties...but they closed it, and aren't talking about it. Hitting too close to home?
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    re: Ambush leaves 2 Vegas officers and Wal-Mart shopper dead; suspects also dead[W:74]

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    a) You're missing the bigger picture. If two civilians get into it, it's hard to tell who is the aggressor. There could be confusion about whom to shoot.
    b) However, when it comes to a cop being shot THERE IS NO DOUBT and so one should act decisively and without any pause regarding target. Now you understand why the victims being cops makes the decision to fire all the more easy?
    a) Agreed.

    b) I disagree. Once the policemen were already shot, unless the preps threaten you, you are taking the law into your own hands. That's why we have a justice system. I have no problem with self-defense but what you are suggesting is vigilantism

    Just for the record, this just in.....


    Vegas Cop Killers Awash in White Supremacy, Rightwing Conspiracy --- Local reporting: After fatally shooting two police officers, assailants placed 'Don't Tread On Me' flags over bodies (unconfirmed by Vegas police) - Source

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    re: Ambush leaves 2 Vegas officers and Wal-Mart shopper dead; suspects also dead[W:74]

    Quote Originally Posted by Paxaeon View Post
    b) I disagree. Once the policemen were already shot, unless the preps threaten you, you are taking the law into your own hands. That's why we have a justice system. I have no problem with self-defense but what you are suggesting is vigilantism
    I'm not suggesting vigilantism. If someone shoots a cop, they have committed a forcible felony and one has every reason to believe they will continue murdering immediately.

    If you see someone shoot a cop, shoot them. There's no question. There's no decision to make. That threat must be put down immediately.

    I'm tired of BS excuses for cowardice. There is no ****ing question, whatsoever, that an active cop killer must be brought down i-****ing-mediately.

    It's self defense and the defense of others. That you would presume the killers will stop, and turn themselves in, is a glorious height of nonsense. Why do you want more cops to die when you could stop it by surprise?
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    re: Ambush leaves 2 Vegas officers and Wal-Mart shopper dead; suspects also dead[W:74]

    Quote Originally Posted by Paxaeon View Post
    a) Agreed.

    b) I disagree. Once the policemen were already shot, unless the preps threaten you, you are taking the law into your own hands. That's why we have a justice system. I have no problem with self-defense but what you are suggesting is vigilantism

    Just for the record, this just in.....

    Vegas Cop Killers Awash in White Supremacy, Rightwing Conspiracy --- Local reporting: After fatally shooting two police officers, assailants placed 'Don't Tread On Me' flags over bodies (unconfirmed by Vegas police) - Source
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    re: Ambush leaves 2 Vegas officers and Wal-Mart shopper dead; suspects also dead[W:74]

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Why do you want more cops to die when you could stop it by surprise?
    Correction: Why would you allow the chance of more cops (and presumably others) being injured and dead when you could stop it by surprise.

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    re: Ambush leaves 2 Vegas officers and Wal-Mart shopper dead; suspects also dead[W:74]

    Quote Originally Posted by beefheart View Post
    [url=http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/06/09/las-vegas-shooters-idd-as-right-wing-conspiracy-nuts-with-a-deathwish/]
    Congrats to Sean Hannity and Alex Jones and all the other people that pumped up the Bundy love, two dead cops.
    Oh, well then... so these three deaths are Obama's fault, then?
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    re: Ambush leaves 2 Vegas officers and Wal-Mart shopper dead; suspects also dead[W:74]

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    Two can play that game, if the guy had not been allowed to own a gun he most likely would have never been able to go on a shooting spree.
    If he hadn't been allowed to murder people then he couldn't have gone on the shooting spree.

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    re: Ambush leaves 2 Vegas officers and Wal-Mart shopper dead; suspects also dead[W:74]

    Killer interviewed on TV while he was at Bundy ranch.



    And, of course, he posted at Infowars

    The Police (to kill or not to kill?) | Planet Infowars
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    re: Ambush leaves 2 Vegas officers and Wal-Mart shopper dead; suspects also dead[W:74]

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    If someone in the restaurant had carried, maybe the scumbags wouldn't have made it to Walmart.
    Wait a second... Didn't the story just say that there were two armed officers in there?
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