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    re: Ambush leaves 2 Vegas officers and Wal-Mart shopper dead; suspects also dead[W:74]

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    Two can play that game, if the guy had not been allowed to own a gun he most likely would have never been able to go on a shooting spree.
    yeah people willing to commit capital murder (you kill a cop and you almost always DIE-whether by other cops shooting you or the executioner) are going to be deterred from getting a gun.

    you must think our war on drugs keeps dope away from people too?



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    re: Ambush leaves 2 Vegas officers and Wal-Mart shopper dead; suspects also dead[W:74]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    yeah people willing to commit capital murder (you kill a cop and you almost always DIE-whether by other cops shooting you or the executioner) are going to be deterred from getting a gun.

    you must think our war on drugs keeps dope away from people too?
    I did not say that, but all I am saying is that I am happy to live in a society when gun ownership is rare and mostly in the hands of people who ought to own guns (the police, army, navy, military police, hunters and people who shoot as a sport). All have to comply with strict ownership laws created to make sure their guns are not stolen and used for violent crimes.

    No system is perfect but I feel more comfortable in a gun limited society. A lot of countries have that kind of system and in MY country it works fine.

    Now I realize that in the US there are a lot more hunters and that seems fine to me, a lot of people who live far outside civilization with wild and dangerous animals around need protection which is fine too, some people want to protect their homes with guns and even though I would never want a gun in my house, that should be the decision of every house owner him or herself. But I do not see the need for having dozens of guns or high powered semi-automatic guns.

    But I also do not see the need for people to have knives with them. Simply said I do not like weapons and in some countries that works and in other countries that does not work.

    No, but the war on drugs is also not winning anything either except filling the jail system with non-violent offenders who get sentenced for ridiculously long sentences that do not stop crime or the use of drugs.
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    re: Ambush leaves 2 Vegas officers and Wal-Mart shopper dead; suspects also dead[W:74]

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    He would probably have poisoned the water, used a bomb, infected others or otherwise caused many more deaths. Him using a gun presumably saved lives.

    How ya like that?
    Nonsense, that is what I think of that. Using guns is usually a short sighted dumb ass violent short circuit in some idiots brain. Poisoning, bombing, infecting or otherwise usually is done by people with a clear defined goal, people who cunningly use well constructed plans to kill people. People who go on shooting sprees usually are not working from a well formulated cunning plan to have a clearly defined goal. Usually it is just an orgy of violence, death, noise and mindless short sighted aiming their weapons at everything that moves.

    Why can someone not dislike guns and think that he/she loves living in a gun-limited society like I do. Me, nobody else but me and a lot of my fellow country men and women.

    This is not saying that people in the US should live like that, it is how I like to live in MY country of the Netherlands and not how people in other countries have to live.
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    re: Ambush leaves 2 Vegas officers and Wal-Mart shopper dead; suspects also dead[W:74]

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    Nonsense, that is what I think of that. Using guns is usually a short sighted dumb ass violent short circuit in some idiots brain. Poisoning, bombing, infecting or otherwise usually is done by people with a clear defined goal, people who cunningly use well constructed plans to kill people. People who go on shooting sprees usually are not working from a well formulated cunning plan to have a clearly defined goal. Usually it is just an orgy of violence, death, noise and mindless short sighted aiming their weapons at everything that moves.
    Nonsense.

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    re: Ambush leaves 2 Vegas officers and Wal-Mart shopper dead; suspects also dead[W:74]

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    If someone in the restaurant had carried, maybe the scumbags wouldn't have made it to Walmart.
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    Maybe. What is unknown is if there were any armed patrons there. If you shoot at an armed person, especially one who just shot two armed policemen, they will shoot back at you. Not all people with guns are good marksman (nor the sharpest knives in the drawer) and in a public restaurant full of innocent bystanders, the likelihood of one of them getting hit is exponentially increased.

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    re: Ambush leaves 2 Vegas officers and Wal-Mart shopper dead; suspects also dead[W:74]

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    I know have a rep for being soapboxy but those officers had families and those idiots just killed them without a thought. It's heartbreaking. Not to mention the innocent by-standers.
    My question is WTH do they mean by "the war"



    Good question, my guess is that they didn't know what they were saying. I doubt that they were members of a larger group.

    Just a couple who spent too much time sitting in the desert sun without hats.

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    re: Ambush leaves 2 Vegas officers and Wal-Mart shopper dead; suspects also dead[W:74]

    Quote Originally Posted by Paxaeon View Post
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    Maybe. What is unknown is if there were any armed patrons there. If you shoot at an armed person, especially one who just shot two armed policemen, they will shoot back at you. Not all people with guns are good marksman (nor the sharpest knives in the drawer) and in a public restaurant full of innocent bystanders, the likelihood of one of them getting hit is exponentially increased.
    If you see someone shooting a cop, fire. If for no other reason than you could be next.

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    re: Ambush leaves 2 Vegas officers and Wal-Mart shopper dead; suspects also dead[W:74]

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Nonsense.
    That is your opinion, I think it is very sensible.

    But again, that does not mean that people in the US should denounce all their weapons. It just means that if you think that someone good guy with a gun could have stopped this mad men, it is equally possible that if he had not had guns in the first place he might not have needed a good guy with a gun to stop him.

    And there were at least 2 very good guys with guns, 2 police officers and tragically they were killed. If a bad guy with a gun kills a good guy with a gun and steals his gun the bad guy can kill even more people with his guns.
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    re: Ambush leaves 2 Vegas officers and Wal-Mart shopper dead; suspects also dead[W:74]

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    Two can play that game, if the guy had not been allowed to own a gun he most likely would have never been able to go on a shooting spree.
    They cant stop THIS...

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    ...how are they going to stop illegal guns?

    Anyway...too soon and this really isnt about guns. Eco mentioned spice...a neighbor said he thought they were heavily into meth. Yeah...that would make more sense.

    Tragic.

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    re: Ambush leaves 2 Vegas officers and Wal-Mart shopper dead; suspects also dead[W:74]

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    If you see someone shooting a cop, fire. If for no other reason than you could be next.
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    Maybe. The problem with these pretend situations is they can be manipulated to say anything. In one scenario, you're the hero, in another you are foolishly dead.

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