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    Re: Ambush leaves 2 Vegas officers and Wal-Mart shopper dead; suspects also dead[W:74

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    all this crap about background checks is worthless. criminals get most of their guns from other criminals or family members in straw purchases. the UBGC won't stop any of that.

    and anyone who has even a passing familiarity with the war on drugs realizes how stupid trying to ban market driven activities are. with the cops and military losing thousands upon thousands of high grade weapons each year, even with a complete ban (like we have on cocaine, heroin, crystal meth and LSD) there will be a booming black market
    I edited my post. It covered my views on some of this.
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    Re: Ambush leaves 2 Vegas officers and Wal-Mart shopper dead; suspects also dead[W:74

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Oh looky here. jmotivator talking to someone else and attacking me as a dodge yet again... go figure. lol

    you don't know what I know or think. I've probably held and shot more weapons than you have or perhaps will so... do try to stay on topic. I know it's hard for you... but please try. powerob is NOT the topic.
    I am saying that your scenario of what trained Conceal Carry people will do is ridiculous. People trained in CC don't pull their gun out and start running around looking for someone to shoot. Ignorant people that watch too much TV just imagine that is what we do.

    More of the lesson for you:

    Most of the people shooting in "wildest police chases" aren't trained, and wouldn't qualify for concealed carry even in the states that offer it. You seem to base your whole understanding on this level of info gathering.

    Police officer DO draw their weapon in the manner that you describe, but that is because they are UNIFORMED and therefor not prone to target confusion.

    Plain clothed Police are instructed to not draw their weapon unless they have identified the target. Why? So that they won't get shot by uniformed police who might be on the scene.

    You can keep being ignorant and saying ignorant things. It's your right to not know what you are talking about. But people who DO know a thing or two about this subject will just write you off. This isn't insults I'm throwing at you, it's reality. Go educate yourself on the subject.
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    Re: Ambush leaves 2 Vegas officers and Wal-Mart shopper dead; suspects also dead[W:74

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    I gave a scenario. You attacked the scenario as a dodge. Tell it to the gunman when it happens. "This isn't how this is supposed to happen. Let's start over."
    No, you made up an unrealistic scenario where in you told me that I was doing something that I wouldn't do and that no trained gun owner is trained to do and then tried to bait me into some answer to appease your ignorant understanding of how things works during a shooting. You are ignorant, and your scenario is stupid. Get over it. Neither I nor a fellow CC gun owner would be running around your imaginary Walmart with our guns drawn. That is what stupid people do. End of story.
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    Re: Ambush leaves 2 Vegas officers and Wal-Mart shopper dead; suspects also dead[W:74

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Oh looky here. jmotivator talking to someone else and attacking me as a dodge yet again... go figure. lol

    you don't know what I know or think. I've probably held and shot more weapons than you have or perhaps will so... do try to stay on topic. I know it's hard for you... but please try. powerob is NOT the topic.
    Your comments here do not reflect that level of knowledge at all.

    If you do not want to be the topic, then stop making such wild observations.
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    Re: Ambush leaves 2 Vegas officers and Wal-Mart shopper dead; suspects also dead[W:74

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    <sigh>

    What does Sean Hannity have to do with 2 loons in Vegas who have been on the hairy edge of psychosis for years who up and decide to kill 3 innocent people? Answer - nothing.

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    Re: Ambush leaves 2 Vegas officers and Wal-Mart shopper dead; suspects also dead[W:74

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    I've only heard bits and pieces of the story. Seemed like lack of health insurance was a large part of the guy's frustration, as well as not having the ability to get out of poverty. Not that it's remotely an excuse.
    Is that true? I hadn't heard that.

    And you're 1000% right. If these were (among) his reasons, neither one is an excuse.

    Loons walk among us.

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    Re: Ambush leaves 2 Vegas officers and Wal-Mart shopper dead; suspects also dead[W:74

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    <sigh>

    What does Sean Hannity have to do with 2 loons in Vegas who have been on the hairy edge of psychosis for years who up and decide to kill 3 innocent people? Answer - nothing.
    {sigh}
    they were part of the militia {anti gubbermint} at the bundy ranch.
    {sigh}
    Hannity promoted the bundy cause.
    {sigh}

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    Re: Ambush leaves 2 Vegas officers and Wal-Mart shopper dead; suspects also dead[W:74

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    {sigh}
    they were part of the militia {anti gubbermint} at the bundy ranch.
    {sigh}
    Hannity promoted the bundy cause.
    {sigh}
    No, they weren't "part" of anything, Ajive. They showed up at the ranch, uninvited, and according to the shooter himself, they were shunned because of their radical anti-government stance. You can't attempt to distort facts to try to put this on Hannity.

    You also know that Hannity promoted nothing but the cattle grazing situation. At no time, ever, did Hannity encourage people to kill innocent people. To deny that is nothing but still partisanship and left wing babble, and you're better than that.

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    Re: Ambush leaves 2 Vegas officers and Wal-Mart shopper dead; suspects also dead[W:74

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    No, they weren't "part" of anything, Ajive. They showed up at the ranch, uninvited, and according to the shooter himself, they were shunned because of their radical anti-government stance. You can't attempt to distort facts to try to put this on Hannity.

    You also know that Hannity promoted nothing but the cattle grazing situation. At no time, ever, did Hannity encourage people to kill innocent people. To deny that is nothing but still partisanship and left wing babble, and you're better than that.
    But I'm not below calling a snake in the grass a snake in the grass.

    I prefer the birds of a feather analogy best.

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    Re: Ambush leaves 2 Vegas officers and Wal-Mart shopper dead; suspects also dead[W:74

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    But I'm not below calling a snake in the grass a snake in the grass.

    I prefer the birds of a feather analogy best.
    That analogy is wrong.

    You may want to understand Hannity for yourself and not what Media Matters feeds you. Hannity is not anti-government, which is what the Vegas shooter was. Hannity is anti-Obama and anti-Liberalism/Democratic Party. In fact, it's part of what I dislike about Hannity. In his perfect world, the Republican party would control our lives as much as he believes the Democrats do. Hannity is against gay marriage and some other issues that I support, and he would be very happy with the government being in our bedrooms and other places it doesn't belong.

    He and Clive Bundy have nothing to do with what happened in Vegas, and a very little research will show you that. It's disingenuous to attempt to tie Hannity and/or Bundy in with what this radical, psychotic couple did. I expect it from a lot of people on here - but you weren't one of them I thought would go to that partisan length.

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