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    Re: Ambush leaves 2 Vegas officers and Wal-Mart shopper dead; suspects also dead[W:74

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    This is so stupid. The Bundy standoff ended peacefully. This couple wanted to kill cops since before the Bundy standoff. They were only their in a hope they could shoot some cops. When the Bundy supporters realized what this couple was up to they threw them out.

    Would you argue that the news reports on police brutality are to blame as well? This couple believed that the police are the enemy, a belief more in sync with OWS than the Tea Party.
    The Bundy standoff, like Sean Hannity, has nothing to do with this story.

    Anyone with a functioning brain has read about this couple who were acting insane and had been in trouble with the law for years. Anyone with a functioning brain who isn't blinded by partisanship also knows that the Bundy people "shunned" this couple, according to the shooters own words.

    But never let a good crisis go to waste. Always use the deaths of three innocent people to promote your anti-Hannity, anti-Bundy agenda.

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    Re: Ambush leaves 2 Vegas officers and Wal-Mart shopper dead; suspects also dead[W:74

    Quote Originally Posted by beefheart View Post
    Why do you make specific accusations as to what someone said that aren't true?

    I mention Hannity, I'll mention Alex Jones, and any politician or media that pumped up and supported the Bundy protesters and Bundy. Because they helped incite a bunch of lunatics through their support.

    Sorry it is an obtuse concept for some to understand. But...when you give support to people who are crazy and whip up a media frenzy...you tend to push those on the edge over the edge. You may not agree, but there are two dead cops and a dead bystander as a result of two of the crazy people who hung with the Bundy protester crowd.
    This thread isn't about Bundy and it isn't about Hannity.

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    Re: Ambush leaves 2 Vegas officers and Wal-Mart shopper dead; suspects also dead[W:74

    Quote Originally Posted by beefheart View Post
    Ended peacefully because the government backed down. The protesters were the ones out there playing with their guns, aiming them at the feds, etc.
    Let's examine that thought for a minute... you accept that it would only get violent if the police opened fire.... and yet you blame the Bundy supporters who never fired a shot?

    Do you think any Feds were aiming at Bundy supporters?



    And the Millers? They were there, talking trash and prepared to shoot.

    Facebook Posts Reveal Vegas Shooter Thought Bundy Ranch Was 'Start Of Revolution'

    I never said they weren't there. I said they were thrown out for being nut jobs. Your own TPM link verifies that that is what happened:

    "I was out there but they told me and my wife to leave because I am a felon," he wrote. "They don't seem to understand that they are all felons now for intimidating law enforcement with deadly weapons. So don't tell you that they need people. We sold everything we had to buy supplies and quit our jobs to be there 24/7. How dare you ask for help and shun us dedicated patriots!"

    The Millers were their because they wanted to kill cops and hoped that the Bundy standoff would be the start of the revolution they wanted. They were disappointed that the people at the Bundy standoff weren't insane nut jobs like they were and decided that if the Bundy supporters weren't interested in a revolution then they would start one themselves.

    This has nothing to do with the Bundys or Sean Hanity and everything to do with the Millers being insane nut jobs.
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    Re: Ambush leaves 2 Vegas officers and Wal-Mart shopper dead; suspects also dead[W:74

    Conceal carry a victim in the Vegas shooting.
    'Heroic' action to try and stop Vegas killers

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    Re: Ambush leaves 2 Vegas officers and Wal-Mart shopper dead; suspects also dead[W:74

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Let's examine that thought for a minute... you accept that it would only get violent if the police opened fire.... and yet you blame the Bundy supporters who never fired a shot?

    Do you think any Feds were aiming at Bundy supporters?






    I never said they weren't there. I said they were thrown out for being nut jobs. Your own TPM link verifies that that is what happened:

    "I was out there but they told me and my wife to leave because I am a felon," he wrote. "They don't seem to understand that they are all felons now for intimidating law enforcement with deadly weapons. So don't tell you that they need people. We sold everything we had to buy supplies and quit our jobs to be there 24/7. How dare you ask for help and shun us dedicated patriots!"

    The Millers were their because they wanted to kill cops and hoped that the Bundy standoff would be the start of the revolution they wanted. They were disappointed that the people at the Bundy standoff weren't insane nut jobs like they were and decided that if the Bundy supporters weren't interested in a revolution then they would start one themselves.

    This has nothing to do with the Bundys or Sean Hanity and everything to do with the Millers being insane nut jobs.
    Cough...Waco...cough....Ruby Ridge.

    The federal government has quite the history killing innocent Americans

    No wonder some folks are concerned.
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    Re: Ambush leaves 2 Vegas officers and Wal-Mart shopper dead; suspects also dead[W:74

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    that was spontaneous

    after he killed his mother?
    Yep. He didn't draw out plans or have time to buy ingredients for and build a bomb.
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    Re: Ambush leaves 2 Vegas officers and Wal-Mart shopper dead; suspects also dead[W:74

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    That's easy. You aren't trained to go running through Walmart with your gun drawn. You draw when you assess your target. Until any of those 20 people laid eyes on the shooters they would not have their gun drawn, so anyone who I see with their gun drawn would either know I am not the shooter -- because they saw the shooter and my gun was not drawn -- or would point their gun at me which means they are now a target.

    Gun safety and Gun defense classes cover all of this. No trained gun owner would be so stupid as to whip out their gun in a situation like that and go running around the store.
    Gunshots go down in close earshot proximity and no one draws their guns. You are being beyond naive.
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    Re: Ambush leaves 2 Vegas officers and Wal-Mart shopper dead; suspects also dead[W:74

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    The Bundy standoff, like Sean Hannity, has nothing to do with this story.

    Anyone with a functioning brain has read about this couple who were acting insane and had been in trouble with the law for years. Anyone with a functioning brain who isn't blinded by partisanship also knows that the Bundy people "shunned" this couple, according to the shooters own words.

    But never let a good crisis go to waste. Always use the deaths of three innocent people to promote your anti-Hannity, anti-Bundy agenda.
    Actually the girl didn't have a criminal record. To me this is a lot like the Boston Bombers. The older one was very radicalized and got the younger one to go along.

    Seems the Bundy ranch may have asked then to leave. Problem is the interview that shows the male, he seems really calm and acts like he doesn't want violence. I need to see a something in writing before I buy into the ranch asking them
    to leave.
    Las Vegas Shooters Allegedly Spent Time At Bundy Ranch, Embraced White Supremacy | ThinkProgress

    Edit: Just saw the TPM link about a google+ account. If that is true, I am still curious to how long he was out on the ranch for...
    Last edited by voyager1; 06-10-14 at 10:39 AM. Reason: saw a later post that reflected a possibly more detailed account

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    Re: Ambush leaves 2 Vegas officers and Wal-Mart shopper dead; suspects also dead[W:74

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    When you make these scenarios, you shouldn't tell me what I do. I would not draw my sidearm at the sound of shots several isles away. Likely I would become the wall to dodge the impending stampede. From that point I would be a good witniss.

    You obviously have no formal training on this matter.
    Of course you would magically chameleon yourself into cans of soup. And when you see another with a gun, you'd do nothingbecause only a bad guy would have their gun drawn... What a croc o crap.
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    Re: Ambush leaves 2 Vegas officers and Wal-Mart shopper dead; suspects also dead[W:74

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Let's examine that thought for a minute... you accept that it would only get violent if the police opened fire

    No, it would have gotten violent if it continued to be a standoff. Someone would have opened fire, could have been the feds, could have been the whack-jobs.

    The thing is, events like the Bundy standoff attract crazy people like a bug zapper attracts mosquitoes. And with the media whipping up a frenzy in a sad push for ratings, they only emboldened and encouraged these nuts. They say they sent the Millers home...but the problem is...the Millers showed up in the first place. If you don't have these crazy standoffs, you don't have to worry about trying to control the crazy people that showed up...do you?

    Hannity is emblematic of the media that pumped up the supporters and gave them a national story. Not responsible journalism is it? Hannity all but fellated Cliven Bundy in his broadcasts....until he finally had to face the fact that Bundy is a racist nut, and that he attracted all kinds of unbalanced people to his ranch. And when you give support and encouragement to unbalanced people, bad things happen.
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