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Bergdahl says he was tortured by Taliban captors

Re: Who Do You Believe? A soldier or the soldiers?

CalGun said:
Bergdahl says he was tortured by Taliban captors

Just curious. This is the first report I've seen that this soldier we traded for in Afghanistan has said anything? I'll be curious to know who is directing his comments? Are these his words or has the obummer regime given him the best PR firm a government can buy?

These comments are almost to politically correct. His email, his statements as reported by others and the concerns many had about his collaboration, treason and desertion are they "swift boating" him? Is that orchestrated by Fox? I see at least 6 young men coming forward and blasting this man....so do you believe one or six?
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I am more inclined to believe the six.
 
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Bob N said:
This is my take on Mr. Bergdahl. I think that it was the right thing to do by going in and getting an American out of that situation; however, if Mr. Bergdahl is found guilty of what he is accused of than I would only presume that he alone will face the consequences.
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If we should have got him out, we should not have done so by way of releasing the top five Taliban terrorists held at Gitmo. If he is in fact a deserter, he is not worth a risky rescue op...however if we had to get him out, a rescue would have in the long run involved less risk then turning the top terrorists loose to likely head back to the battlefield. A lot more US troops are now at risk...not just from the danger of those five making it back onto the battlefield but the incentive it provided the Taliban to kidnap more US troops.
 
Re: Who Do You Believe? A soldier or the soldiers?

CalGun said:
Bergdahl says he was tortured by Taliban captors

Just curious. This is the first report I've seen that this soldier we traded for in Afghanistan has said anything? I'll be curious to know who is directing his comments? Are these his words or has the obummer regime given him the best PR firm a government can buy?

These comments are almost to politically correct. His email, his statements as reported by others and the concerns many had about his collaboration, treason and desertion are they "swift boating" him? Is that orchestrated by Fox? I see at least 6 young men coming forward and blasting this man....so do you believe one or six?
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Whom I believe is probably irrelevant at this point, the deal has been made. What is relevant is what happens in the future. I would like to know form those who support the swap is if these five return to the battle and kill and maim more Americans, NATO allies or even more Afghan people, was this a good deal? If the Taliban and its allied tribes kidnap more Americans in the future for more prisoner exchanges, was this a good deal? Of course this may or may not happen in the future, time will tell.

But I have one other question, what do we tell those family and men who were killed, wounded and maimed capturing these five to prevent them from sometime in the future killing, wounding and maiming others? Do we tell their family members their deaths were all in vain?

Perhaps no one cares about about the price paid to obtain these detainees or what damage they may do in the future. For many of those defending the swap, this is the impression I am left with.
 
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ObamacareFail said:
If we should have got him out, we should not have done so by way of releasing the top five Taliban terrorists held at Gitmo. If he is in fact a deserter, he is not worth a risky rescue op...however if we had to get him out, a rescue would have in the long run involved less risk then turning the top terrorists loose to likely head back to the battlefield. A lot more US troops are now at risk...not just from the danger of those five making it back onto the battlefield but the incentive it provided the Taliban to kidnap more US troops.
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Are you aware that GWB released 500 prisoners? What's your impressions on that?
 
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jamesrage said:
Says the man who hasn't provided any actual evidence that the men in question really served in Bergdahl's platoon at the time he went missing.
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You feel that these men are all lying, that they are actors hired by Fox News to get back at Barrack Obama for some reason?See What Happens When Megyn Kelly Asks Bergdahl
Do you have documents that these men were in Bergdahl's platoon at the time he went missing?
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Documents can also be forged
 
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jamesrage said:
In all honesty I do not know who to believe.Those 6 young men may not be soldiers.Even if they are or were soldiers doesn't mean they were actually in Bergdahl's squad or team.Even if they were in his squad or team doesn't mean they were there or even telling the truth.Heck they themselves could be spreading hearsay. These six men could be right wing versions of Jesse MacBeth trying to get their 5 minutes of fame or just like many people pissed off that the Obama encouraged more troops and other Americans to be kidnapped by trading five terrorists for one soldier so they could be just trying to demonize a soldier in order make the president's attempt to score cool points blow up in his face.
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You want to know the details of those 6 sodiers... Here you go:

Megyn Kelly Panel, Part 2: Bergdahl Platoon Against Trade | Video | RealClearPolitics
 
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Bob N said:
Are you aware that GWB released 500 prisoners? What's your impressions on that?[/QUOTE

Yes......and I was against it...however I don't know what evidence they had on which detainees. I suspect that many were released that should not have been released. However the 500 did not include the top tier terrorists in the Taliban. The five that Obama released are pretty nasty characters and I am sure we will come to regret their release.
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Re: Who Do You Believe? A soldier or the soldiers?

CalGun said:
Bergdahl says he was tortured by Taliban captors

Just curious. This is the first report I've seen that this soldier we traded for in Afghanistan has said anything? I'll be curious to know who is directing his comments? Are these his words or has the obummer regime given him the best PR firm a government can buy?

These comments are almost to politically correct. His email, his statements as reported by others and the concerns many had about his collaboration, treason and desertion are they "swift boating" him? Is that orchestrated by Fox? I see at least 6 young men coming forward and blasting this man....so do you believe one or six?
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Is it really just that simple? A numbers game?
 
Re: Who Do You Believe? A soldier or the soldiers?

CalGun said:
Bergdahl says he was tortured by Taliban captors

Just curious. This is the first report I've seen that this soldier we traded for in Afghanistan has said anything? I'll be curious to know who is directing his comments? Are these his words or has the obummer regime given him the best PR firm a government can buy?

These comments are almost to politically correct. His email, his statements as reported by others and the concerns many had about his collaboration, treason and desertion are they "swift boating" him? Is that orchestrated by Fox? I see at least 6 young men coming forward and blasting this man....so do you believe one or six?
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I choose to believe the military tribunal system, AFTER they announce their verdict at the court martial. Bergdahl is an American soldier, who has the right to due process, just like any other American. If you can't handle that, then maybe you belong in Iran, where people can be deemed guilty, and executed without a trial.
 
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It don't matter, its a done deal. Suck it up and deal with it.
 
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apdst said:
They do if they're witnesses to a crime.
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And that is for an investigation and/or trial to decide. We do still have guilty until proven innocent in this country despite the lynch mob you prefer.
 
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apdst said:
They do if they're witnesses to a crime.
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The presumption of innocence until proven guilty either in a civilian court or a military court should prevail, but, since this is a open forum, many opinions are offered, some are ready to convict based on hearsay.

If this ever makes it to a court martial, I do hope those "witnesses" are called to give their side, of course, a defense attorney will shoot holes in their testimony and try to discredit them too.

I'll wait before rendering my opinion.
 
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TheNextEra said:
And that is for an investigation and/or trial to decide. We do still have guilty until proven innocent in this country despite the lynch mob you prefer.
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What?

The presumption of innocence, sometimes referred to by the Latin expression Ei incumbit probatio qui dicit, non qui negat (the burden of proof is on he who declares, not on he who denies), is the principle that one is considered innocent until proven guilty. In many nations, presumption of innocence is a legal right of the accused in a criminal trial. The burden of proof is thus on the prosecution, which has to collect and present enough compelling evidence to convince the trier of fact, who is restrained and ordered by law to consider only actual evidence and testimony that is legally admissible, and in most cases lawfully obtained, that the accused is guilty beyond reasonable doubt. If reasonable doubt remains, the accused is to be acquitted.
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danarhea said:
I choose to believe the military tribunal system, AFTER they announce their verdict at the court martial. Bergdahl is an American soldier, who has the right to due process, just like any other American. If you can't handle that, then maybe you belong in Iran, where people can be deemed guilty, and executed without a trial.
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I agree with your larger point about Bergdahl's fate, but aren't you rather near to a slippery slope, suggesting that only in Iran are people deemed guilty and executed without a trial? Isn't that rather the heart of the drone subject, how the US government uses them?
 
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TheNextEra said:
And that is for an investigation and/or trial to decide. We do still have guilty until proven innocent in this country despite the lynch mob you prefer.
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When did I say anything about a lynch mob?
 
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AJiveMan said:
The presumption of innocence until proven guilty either in a civilian court or a military court should prevail, but, since this is a open forum, many opinions are offered, some are ready to convict based on hearsay.

If this ever makes it to a court martial, I do hope those "witnesses" are called to give their side, of course, a defense attorney will shoot holes in their testimony and try to discredit them too.

I'll wait before rendering my opinion.
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Character assissination is illegal in a courts martial.

When did I ever say "convict on hearsay"? Hell, YOU, are redy to deport Justin Beiber for excercisung his 1st Amendment rights.
 
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apdst said:
When did I say anything about a lynch mob?
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You've already pronounced him guilty and have said Obama should have left him with the Taliban because of it. Can't get more lynching than that.

Again innocent until proven guilty and he has not had a comment about his situation and you and others want to convict him before any trial. Nuff said
 
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CalGun said:
Bergdahl says he was tortured by Taliban captors

Just curious. This is the first report I've seen that this soldier we traded for in Afghanistan has said anything? I'll be curious to know who is directing his comments? Are these his words or has the obummer regime given him the best PR firm a government can buy?

These comments are almost to politically correct. His email, his statements as reported by others and the concerns many had about his collaboration, treason and desertion are they "swift boating" him? Is that orchestrated by Fox? I see at least 6 young men coming forward and blasting this man....so do you believe one or six?
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I'm leaning toward him abandoning his post, but on this one I'm being cautious.

Even if he is guilty, though, I do not believe for a second that the administration will allow him to be prosecuted.
 
Re: Who Do You Believe? A soldier or the soldiers?

CalGun said:
These comments are almost to politically correct. His email, his statements as reported by others and the concerns many had about his collaboration, treason and desertion are they "swift boating" him? Is that orchestrated by Fox? I see at least 6 young men coming forward and blasting this man....so do you believe one or six?
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I believe they are swift boating him. His unit, including these men, were known for being undisciplined, lacking in accountability for their actions, and behaving in a manner contrary to our mission there. The most vocal among them, Josh Korder, received an other than honorable discharge. They are being represented and their appearances booked by a Republican public relations firm and some of the things they've said have been proven to be untrue. IMO, anything they have to say should be taken with a grain of salt.
 
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Bob N said:
This is my take on Mr. Bergdahl. I think that it was the right thing to do by going in and getting an American out of that situation; however, if Mr. Bergdahl is found guilty of what he is accused of than I would only presume that he alone will face the consequences.
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This is precisely my take on it as well.
 
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TheNextEra said:
You've already pronounced him guilty and have said Obama should have left him with the Taliban because of it. Can't get more lynching than that.

Again innocent until proven guilty and he has not had a comment about his situation and you and others want to convict him before any trial. Nuff said
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I have my opinion, but I never said their shouldn't be a trial.

Even through partisan glasses, the evidence is overwhelming.
 
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Napoleon said:
I believe they are swift boating him. His unit, including these men, were known for being undisciplined, lacking in accountability for their actions, and behaving in a manner contrary to our mission there. The most vocal among them, Josh Korder, received an other than honorable discharge. They are being represented and their appearances booked by a Republican public relations firm and some of the things they've said have been proven to be untrue. IMO, anything they have to say should be taken with a grain of salt.
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Except, the members of his unit have absolutely nothing to gain by lying.

Oh, and post a link supporting all that...thanks!
 
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radcen said:
I do not believe for a second that the administration will allow him to be prosecuted.
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You can count on there not being an investigation and certainly not a trial. The state department spokesgal has already called the men in his unit liars, so we already know where this is headed.
 
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