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    Re: Who Do You Believe? A soldier or the soldiers?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    You've already pronounced him guilty and have said Obama should have left him with the Taliban because of it. Can't get more lynching than that.

    Again innocent until proven guilty and he has not had a comment about his situation and you and others want to convict him before any trial. Nuff said
    There are many people throughout history who we know to be guilty of crimes despite them never having gone through the legal system. There is the judicial system and the court of public opinion and in that court Bergdahl is an obvious deserter. Whether he is guilty of other crimes has yet to be demonstrated.

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    Re: Who Do You Believe? A soldier or the soldiers?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You can count on there not being an investigation and certainly not a trial. The state department spokesgal has already called the men in his unit liars, so we already know where this is headed.
    And called the terrorists they freed "Gentlemen". That rather blurs the line between Obama's feelings towards Americans and Islamic terrorists.

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    Re: Who Do You Believe? A soldier or the soldiers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    I believe they are swift boating him. His unit, including these men, were known for being undisciplined, lacking in accountability for their actions, and behaving in a manner contrary to our mission there. The most vocal among them, Josh Korder, received an other than honorable discharge. They are being represented and their appearances booked by a Republican public relations firm and some of the things they've said have been proven to be untrue. IMO, anything they have to say should be taken with a grain of salt.
    This is total nonsense and you have nothing to support these claims.

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    Re: Who Do You Believe? A soldier or the soldiers?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Except, the members of his unit have absolutely nothing to gain by lying.
    We don't know what their motivation really is, but they most certainly are lying. For example, they claim that six soldiers were killed while searching for Bergdahl when, in fact, they were killed while on routine patrol. Another example, Buetow's claim that Bergdahl was looking for the Taliban, the intercepts mentioned don't say anything about anyone looking for the Taliban. All they say is that there was an American soldier with a camera looking for someone who speaks English. That soldier was never even identified nor did any of the intercepts say that whoever it was had been looking for the Taliban.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Oh, and post a link supporting all that...thanks!
    You can start here, here, and here.
    Last edited by Napoleon; 06-11-14 at 01:28 AM.

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    Re: Who Do You Believe? A soldier or the soldiers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    We don't know what their motivation really is, but they most certainly are lying. For example, they claim that six soldiers were killed while searching for Bergdahl when, in fact, they were killed while on routine patrol. Another example, Buetow's claim that Bergdahl was looking for the Taliban, the intercepts mentioned don't say anything about anyone looking for the Taliban. All they say is that there was an American soldier with a camera looking for someone who speaks English. That soldier was never even identified nor did any of the intercepts say that whoever it was had been looking for the Taliban.



    You can start here, here, and here.
    None of these links support your contentions. Best use direct quotes.

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    Re: Who Do You Believe? A soldier or the soldiers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    We don't know what their motivation really is, but they most certainly are lying. For example, they claim that six soldiers were killed while searching for Bergdahl when, in fact, they were killed while on routine patrol. Another example, Buetow's claim that Bergdahl was looking for the Taliban, the intercepts mentioned don't say anything about anyone looking for the Taliban. All they say is that there was an American soldier with a camera looking for someone who speaks English. That soldier was never even identified nor did any of the intercepts say that whoever it was had been looking for the Taliban.



    You can start here, here, and here.
    Media Matters? Oh! I'm convinced!
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Who Do You Believe? A soldier or the soldiers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    None of these links support your contentions. Best use direct quotes.
    Then it is very apparent that you never read them.

    Undisciplined:

    In his blog posts, which have since been removed from the Web, Fancey detailed a unit that seemed to have almost no discipline.
    The discipline problems that had plagued Bowe's unit back home only got worse when immersed in the fog of war. From the start, everything seemed to go wrong. In April, Lt. Fancey was removed from his post for clashing with a superior officer. He was replaced by Sgt. 1st Class Larry Hein, who had never held such a command – a move that left the remote outpost with no officers. According to four soldiers in the battalion, the removal of Fancey was quickly followed by a collapse in unit morale and an almost complete breakdown of authority.
    In early June, after photographs taken by Sean Smith appeared in The Guardian, Bowe's unit got reamed out by its commander for its lack of discipline. Bowe's squad leader, Sgt. Greg Leatherman, was demoted, and two other sergeants in the squad were reassigned. According to Fancey, one was made "a gate guard for the rest of the deployment."
    Korder other than honorable discharge:

    Korder was recently discharged, which was listed as “other than honorable.”
    Represented and booked by Republican pr firm:

    The New York Times reported on June 2 that "Republican strategists" arranged for the paper to interview soldiers who served with Bergdahl and have animosity towards him because they believe he is a deserter. One of the soldiers quoted in the article, Cody Full, sent out a tweet thanking Grenell "for helping get our platoon's story out." Buzzfeed reported that Grenell's partner at his firm, Brad Chase, confirmed that they were behind the public relations campaign (Grenell also sent out a tweet explaining his firm offered "pro bono services" to the soldiers).

    David Zucchino of the Los Angeles Times, who posted an article late Monday quoting Bergdahl's critics, said he had reached out to Grenell, who personally helped him contact Evan Buetow, a member of Bergdahl's platoon. The New York Times' Helene Cooper, whose article identified the source of her interview subjects as "Republican strategists," said she was contacted on Sunday with information on former platoonmates of Bergdahl who wanted to talk to the paper.

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    Re: Who Do You Believe? A soldier or the soldiers?

    Quote Originally Posted by CalGun View Post
    Bergdahl says he was tortured by Taliban captors

    Just curious. This is the first report I've seen that this soldier we traded for in Afghanistan has said anything? I'll be curious to know who is directing his comments? Are these his words or has the obummer regime given him the best PR firm a government can buy?

    These comments are almost to politically correct. His email, his statements as reported by others and the concerns many had about his collaboration, treason and desertion are they "swift boating" him? Is that orchestrated by Fox? I see at least 6 young men coming forward and blasting this man....so do you believe one or six?
    The only thing that matters, was he tortured before he went over the hill (deserted) or after he deserted ?

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    Re: Who Do You Believe? A soldier or the soldiers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    I actually did read them and, apart from the 'less than honorable' discharge regarding Korder, it is all hearsay and opinion, not facts.

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    Re: Who Do You Believe? A soldier or the soldiers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    I actually did read them and, apart from the 'less than honorable' discharge regarding Korder, it is all hearsay and opinion, not facts.
    I don't consider the widely known and documented incidences of the unit's incapacity for discipline or the admission by a partner at the pr firm that they are representing and booking the soldiers in addition to a shout out of thanks from the soldier to be "hearsay and opinion."

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