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    Re: Who Do You Believe? A soldier or the soldiers?

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    I choose to believe the military tribunal system, AFTER they announce their verdict at the court martial. Bergdahl is an American soldier, who has the right to due process, just like any other American. If you can't handle that, then maybe you belong in Iran, where people can be deemed guilty, and executed without a trial.
    I agree with your larger point about Bergdahl's fate, but aren't you rather near to a slippery slope, suggesting that only in Iran are people deemed guilty and executed without a trial? Isn't that rather the heart of the drone subject, how the US government uses them?

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    Re: Who Do You Believe? A soldier or the soldiers?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    And that is for an investigation and/or trial to decide. We do still have guilty until proven innocent in this country despite the lynch mob you prefer.
    When did I say anything about a lynch mob?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Who Do You Believe? A soldier or the soldiers?

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    The presumption of innocence until proven guilty either in a civilian court or a military court should prevail, but, since this is a open forum, many opinions are offered, some are ready to convict based on hearsay.

    If this ever makes it to a court martial, I do hope those "witnesses" are called to give their side, of course, a defense attorney will shoot holes in their testimony and try to discredit them too.

    I'll wait before rendering my opinion.
    Character assissination is illegal in a courts martial.

    When did I ever say "convict on hearsay"? Hell, YOU, are redy to deport Justin Beiber for excercisung his 1st Amendment rights.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Who Do You Believe? A soldier or the soldiers?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    When did I say anything about a lynch mob?
    You've already pronounced him guilty and have said Obama should have left him with the Taliban because of it. Can't get more lynching than that.

    Again innocent until proven guilty and he has not had a comment about his situation and you and others want to convict him before any trial. Nuff said

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    Re: Who Do You Believe? A soldier or the soldiers?

    Quote Originally Posted by CalGun View Post
    Bergdahl says he was tortured by Taliban captors

    Just curious. This is the first report I've seen that this soldier we traded for in Afghanistan has said anything? I'll be curious to know who is directing his comments? Are these his words or has the obummer regime given him the best PR firm a government can buy?

    These comments are almost to politically correct. His email, his statements as reported by others and the concerns many had about his collaboration, treason and desertion are they "swift boating" him? Is that orchestrated by Fox? I see at least 6 young men coming forward and blasting this man....so do you believe one or six?
    I'm leaning toward him abandoning his post, but on this one I'm being cautious.

    Even if he is guilty, though, I do not believe for a second that the administration will allow him to be prosecuted.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Who Do You Believe? A soldier or the soldiers?

    Quote Originally Posted by CalGun View Post
    These comments are almost to politically correct. His email, his statements as reported by others and the concerns many had about his collaboration, treason and desertion are they "swift boating" him? Is that orchestrated by Fox? I see at least 6 young men coming forward and blasting this man....so do you believe one or six?
    I believe they are swift boating him. His unit, including these men, were known for being undisciplined, lacking in accountability for their actions, and behaving in a manner contrary to our mission there. The most vocal among them, Josh Korder, received an other than honorable discharge. They are being represented and their appearances booked by a Republican public relations firm and some of the things they've said have been proven to be untrue. IMO, anything they have to say should be taken with a grain of salt.

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    Re: Who Do You Believe? A soldier or the soldiers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob N View Post
    This is my take on Mr. Bergdahl. I think that it was the right thing to do by going in and getting an American out of that situation; however, if Mr. Bergdahl is found guilty of what he is accused of than I would only presume that he alone will face the consequences.
    This is precisely my take on it as well.
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    Re: Who Do You Believe? A soldier or the soldiers?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    You've already pronounced him guilty and have said Obama should have left him with the Taliban because of it. Can't get more lynching than that.

    Again innocent until proven guilty and he has not had a comment about his situation and you and others want to convict him before any trial. Nuff said
    I have my opinion, but I never said their shouldn't be a trial.

    Even through partisan glasses, the evidence is overwhelming.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Who Do You Believe? A soldier or the soldiers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    I believe they are swift boating him. His unit, including these men, were known for being undisciplined, lacking in accountability for their actions, and behaving in a manner contrary to our mission there. The most vocal among them, Josh Korder, received an other than honorable discharge. They are being represented and their appearances booked by a Republican public relations firm and some of the things they've said have been proven to be untrue. IMO, anything they have to say should be taken with a grain of salt.
    Except, the members of his unit have absolutely nothing to gain by lying.

    Oh, and post a link supporting all that...thanks!
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Who Do You Believe? A soldier or the soldiers?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    I do not believe for a second that the administration will allow him to be prosecuted.
    You can count on there not being an investigation and certainly not a trial. The state department spokesgal has already called the men in his unit liars, so we already know where this is headed.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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