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    Re: Who Do You Believe? A soldier or the soldiers?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Are you forgetting the 5 released terrorists? It is their effect, and that others will likely be taken to be traded, that bothers me.
    Well we have already traded arms for hostages- 7 taken in Lebanon. The claim was made the exchange would 'reach-out' to the more moderate elements of that radical regime. So back in the 80's we 'taught' terrorists if they want something, grabbing USofA hostages will work as a bargaining chip.

    I have to wonder just how many of the POWs returned after Vietnam went on to fight? These 5 Tally wackers have been out of the fight for a decade, were never masterminds, and frankly lost Afghanistan for the Taliban. Since then far more ruthless and capable men have rose and taken over the 5 detainees positions, I doubt they just move aside to allow these old guys to be back in the saddle.

    The Taliban and al-Queera have had decades to set-up a hostage for ransom system based on the one run in Iraq after Saddam fell. IEDs were not the only idea the Taliban was exposed to from our sowing the seeds of democracy in the desert...

    Now Israel has exchanged thousands of terrorists and political prisoners with Hezbollah, Hamas, and the PLO for a handful of Israelis- no doubt many returned to the fight, but the far more hard nosed Israeli people and government seemed to have survived.

    I'm of the opinion the outrage, disgust, and fears are far more political than actual....

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    Re: Who Do You Believe? A soldier or the soldiers?

    Quote Originally Posted by CalGun View Post
    Just curious. This is the first report I've seen that this soldier we traded for in Afghanistan has said anything? I'll be curious to know who is directing his comments? Are these his words or has the obummer regime given him the best PR firm a government can buy? These comments are almost to politically correct. His email, his statements as reported by others and the concerns many had about his collaboration, treason and desertion are they "swift boating" him? Is that orchestrated by Fox? I see at least 6 young men coming forward and blasting this man....so do you believe one or six?
    First off your partisan hackery shows- if the Obama Team had the best PR firm a government can buy the handling of the announcement would have gone better...

    If the 6 men talking are in fact members of his unit that served with him, their insight is extremely limited. They know nothing of how Bergdahl was treated or if he helped the enemy. Desertion is for the military to decide. The 6 can give testimony to a military court, but they are not judges- neither are the talking heads.

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    Re: Who Do You Believe? A soldier or the soldiers?

    So in othe rwords you make extreme references and then have nothing to back it up. You cast doubt upon the validity of 6 men who claim to be US Soldiers for your wacked fantasy land.


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    Do you got evidence they are not?


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    Two can play this game.
    How much does FOX news or Rush Limbaugh pay you to push for anti-Berdahl propaganda?

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    Re: Who Do You Believe? A soldier or the soldiers?

    Yeah and its more than your sense of skewed reality too.


    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Belief is not evidence.

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    Re: Who Do You Believe? A soldier or the soldiers?

    Quote Originally Posted by CalGun View Post
    Yeah and its more than your sense of skewed reality too.
    How is my sense of reality skewed? People in the media distort facts,lie and push agendas all the time. Why would this time be any different? People are pissed that Obama just encouraged terrorists to kidnap troops and other Americans.

    Quote Originally Posted by CalGun View Post
    So in othe rwords you make extreme references and then have nothing to back it up.
    Says the man who hasn't provided any actual evidence that the men in question really served in Bergdahl's platoon at the time he went missing.

    You cast doubt upon the validity of 6 men who claim to be US Soldiers for your wacked fantasy land.

    Do you have documents that these men were in Bergdahl's platoon at the time he went missing?
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Who Do You Believe? A soldier or the soldiers?

    Quote Originally Posted by CalGun View Post
    Bergdahl says he was tortured by Taliban captors

    Just curious. This is the first report I've seen that this soldier we traded for in Afghanistan has said anything? I'll be curious to know who is directing his comments? Are these his words or has the obummer regime given him the best PR firm a government can buy?

    These comments are almost to politically correct. His email, his statements as reported by others and the concerns many had about his collaboration, treason and desertion are they "swift boating" him? Is that orchestrated by Fox? I see at least 6 young men coming forward and blasting this man....so do you believe one or six?
    I am more inclined to believe the six.

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    Re: Who Do You Believe? A soldier or the soldiers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob N View Post
    This is my take on Mr. Bergdahl. I think that it was the right thing to do by going in and getting an American out of that situation; however, if Mr. Bergdahl is found guilty of what he is accused of than I would only presume that he alone will face the consequences.
    If we should have got him out, we should not have done so by way of releasing the top five Taliban terrorists held at Gitmo. If he is in fact a deserter, he is not worth a risky rescue op...however if we had to get him out, a rescue would have in the long run involved less risk then turning the top terrorists loose to likely head back to the battlefield. A lot more US troops are now at risk...not just from the danger of those five making it back onto the battlefield but the incentive it provided the Taliban to kidnap more US troops.

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    Re: Who Do You Believe? A soldier or the soldiers?

    Quote Originally Posted by CalGun View Post
    Bergdahl says he was tortured by Taliban captors

    Just curious. This is the first report I've seen that this soldier we traded for in Afghanistan has said anything? I'll be curious to know who is directing his comments? Are these his words or has the obummer regime given him the best PR firm a government can buy?

    These comments are almost to politically correct. His email, his statements as reported by others and the concerns many had about his collaboration, treason and desertion are they "swift boating" him? Is that orchestrated by Fox? I see at least 6 young men coming forward and blasting this man....so do you believe one or six?
    Whom I believe is probably irrelevant at this point, the deal has been made. What is relevant is what happens in the future. I would like to know form those who support the swap is if these five return to the battle and kill and maim more Americans, NATO allies or even more Afghan people, was this a good deal? If the Taliban and its allied tribes kidnap more Americans in the future for more prisoner exchanges, was this a good deal? Of course this may or may not happen in the future, time will tell.

    But I have one other question, what do we tell those family and men who were killed, wounded and maimed capturing these five to prevent them from sometime in the future killing, wounding and maiming others? Do we tell their family members their deaths were all in vain?

    Perhaps no one cares about about the price paid to obtain these detainees or what damage they may do in the future. For many of those defending the swap, this is the impression I am left with.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Who Do You Believe? A soldier or the soldiers?

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    If we should have got him out, we should not have done so by way of releasing the top five Taliban terrorists held at Gitmo. If he is in fact a deserter, he is not worth a risky rescue op...however if we had to get him out, a rescue would have in the long run involved less risk then turning the top terrorists loose to likely head back to the battlefield. A lot more US troops are now at risk...not just from the danger of those five making it back onto the battlefield but the incentive it provided the Taliban to kidnap more US troops.
    Are you aware that GWB released 500 prisoners? What's your impressions on that?

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    Re: Who Do You Believe? A soldier or the soldiers?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Yep, and at least 1/3 of them returned to fight the great Jihad.
    It seems the lesson wasn't learned.

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