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North Korea says it is holding American tourist for unspecified violations

And you're free to do that. Insane people usually don't recognize their insanity. Just don't call on the U.S. government to waste resources trying to free you if you're detained. Have fun!

When I visit ill take a couple pics and post them here! I will have fun!
 
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Another American detained in DPRK for very weird reasons. This time we are not even being told the exact reason. I expect this just to be more attention seeking from the DPRK government. Hopefully this US citizen can be undetained and returned home ASAP. [/FONT][/COLOR]

I do not feel sorry for any dumbass who goes to North Korea and gets caught.Its like dumbasses who go a hardline Islamo-facist country and wonder why they are hostages of some Islamofacist terrorist group or facing the death penalty of apostasy. North Korea is a piece of a **** country and has a history of kidnapping people. We are still technically at war with North Korea.
 
Because of a risk of being detained? There is always a risk of something like that happened no matter what country you visit.

Because North Korea gets so few American visitors compared to other countries and you are always hearing of some American being arrested whereas you don't for other countries. I would say the percentage of those arrested per the number of American tourists that go to North Korea is sky high compared to the rest of the world.
 
You gotta post some pics of the labor camp that you get sent to when you're detained! :thumbs:

Ill try if it ever happens

Better make sure cameras are legal there first.

Yeah, you definitely don't want to take those kinds of laws for granted. Even a country as cosmopolitan as Morocco has stiff laws regarding what is and isn't kosher to photograph. Doing your homework in this area is important.
 
There is possible danger to any country on that list. Just because you are warned and if something bad does happen to you your homeland shouldnt simply ignore you

Darwinism at its finest. Yes if you ignore warnings then you get what you get and I have no sympathy. Personal responsibility, learn it.
 
Read more @: North Korea says it is holding American tourist for unspecified violations

Another American detained in DPRK for very weird reasons. This time we are not even being told the exact reason. I expect this just to be more attention seeking from the DPRK government. Hopefully this US citizen can be undetained and returned home ASAP. [/FONT][/COLOR]

What did he do? take pictures? wonder away from his guides? refuse to bow to the numerous images of Kim-Il-Sung or Kim Jong Il?

Note to tourists: don't go to totalitarian nations.

Of course North Korea want's money for his release.

It's absolutely astounding that some Americans actually believe the whole "North Korea is Totalitarian" fact is nothing more than a lie.

I know many go there for humanitarian reasons but there are plenty of idiot tourists who go because they believe everything that is said about North Korea is bull****.
 
In 2009 289 US tourists visited the DPRK. The number has slowly been rising. There are 3 US detannes in Korea. Ill take my chances.

So your odds of getting thrown into a NK prison, where you have no rights at all, are better than one in a hundred.

I wonder what the odds of getting thrown into jail in the US, where you do have rights, is for things like stealing cars or shoplifting? I'd be willing to bet they're about the same.

Would you steal?
 
No definition of socialism fits that definition except the bizarro right wing definition where literally anything they don't like can be described by that word.

Ding ding ding!

"Socialism" has basically been redefined to mean "anything that makes American conservatives feel yucky." At which point, it is used to bash liberals.
 
So your odds of getting thrown into a NK prison, where you have no rights at all, are better than one in a hundred.

I wonder what the odds of getting thrown into jail in the US, where you do have rights, is for things like stealing cars or shoplifting? I'd be willing to bet they're about the same.

Would you steal?

North Korea has no due process - not to mention, depending on the crime your family will be punished too - for up to 3 generations.

And their "prison camps" make Soviet Gulags look like hotels.

North Korea is a totalitarian culture and if you don't play by the rules off you go to prison - basically noting more than accusations alone. NK makes the former USSR look like "freedomland."

The sad part is that they abduct US citizens for political favors, food aid or money.

China - a nation which tries to portray itself as a tourist attraction and a good place to do business is doing absolutely nothing about North Korea - if anything they're aiding North Korea with energy, food and munitions.
 
Ding ding ding!

"Socialism" has basically been redefined to mean "anything that makes American conservatives feel yucky." At which point, it is used to bash liberals.

Take one look at North Korea vs South Korea and now tell me which is the more successful economic model? totalitarian socialism or capitalism?

I would love to hear your argument on this one.
 
Take one look at North Korea vs South Korea and now tell me which is the more successful economic model? totalitarian socialism or capitalism?

I would love to hear your argument on this one.

First of all, no one was arguing the merits of any economic system.

Secondly NK is not "totalitarian socialism".

That is an absolutely meaningless ****ing term.
 
Take one look at North Korea vs South Korea and now tell me which is the more successful economic model? totalitarian socialism or capitalism?

I would love to hear your argument on this one.

In what alternate universe did I claim North Korea was more economically successful than South Korea?

The point of the post I quoted was that North Korea is hardly a fair representation of a true socialist state. One can argue the merits of capitalism vs. socialism to their heart's content, but to use the DPRK as an example of a socialist state isn't particularly accurate.

MY point was that most of the things that righties point at and scream "SOCIALISM" about aren't actually socialism.
 
One of the sadder things I have witnessed from North Korea was a Japanese doctor who went to North Korea to remove cataracts from thousands of patients who couldn't see due to malnutrition - and this doctor did thousands of procedures and you know who the North Koreans thanked? the doctor? hell no - they prayed to a painting of Kim Il-sung as if he was Jesus and was responsible for their vision returning.... That's how totalitarian and brainwashed the state of North Korea actually is.

They were incapable of realizing a medical doctor helped them, but praised their "dear leader" as the result of their vision returning.

Now, I will say it is debatable the majority actually believed it was the result of Kim il-sung, however they certainly had to play the role that it was - it was something divine from the "dear leader" or their "God" - when it was nothing more than a Japanese optometrist on a humanitarian mission. And it was quite clear that the lack of gratitude didn't affect him at all - he was just happy he did something nice and helped people.
 
Yeah, you definitely don't want to take those kinds of laws for granted. Even a country as cosmopolitan as Morocco has stiff laws regarding what is and isn't kosher to photograph. Doing your homework in this area is important.
Better make sure cameras are legal there first.
I realize that photography is highly restricted in the DPRK. I also realize they bug your rooms so ill be careful of what I say.
 
In what alternate universe did I claim North Korea was more economically successful than South Korea?

The point of the post I quoted was that North Korea is hardly a fair representation of a true socialist state. One can argue the merits of capitalism vs. socialism to their heart's content, but to use the DPRK as an example of a socialist state isn't particularly accurate.

MY point was that most of the things that righties point at and scream "SOCIALISM" about aren't actually socialism.

North Korea is very much a true example of a socialist state....

Those who support socialism deny the NUMEROUS states that suffer because of socialism and call them "not true socialist states" because it defeats their argument(s) for socialism.

Show me a socialist paradise, where freedom flows and economy is booming.... Oh you cant because one of the fundamental problems with socialism isn't to create capital - it's to sustain a set amount of a population - until that population gets to large they start their purges and culls.

As far as I'm concerned socialism is no different than terrorism,
 
North Korea is very much a true example of a socialist state....

Those who support socialism deny the NUMEROUS states that suffer because of socialism and call them "not true socialist states" because it defeats their argument(s) for socialism.

Show me a socialist paradise, where freedom flows and economy is booming.... Oh you cant because one of the fundamental problems with socialism isn't to create capital - it's to sustain a set amount of a population - until that population gets to large they start their purges and culls.

As far as I'm concerned socialism is no different than terrorism,

You still could not be missing the point harder. Not going to waste my time attempting to explain it again.
 
North Korea is very much a true example of a socialist state....

Those who support socialism deny the NUMEROUS states that suffer because of socialism and call them "not true socialist states" because it defeats their argument(s) for socialism.

Show me a socialist paradise, where freedom flows and economy is booming.... Oh you cant because one of the fundamental problems with socialism isn't to create capital - it's to sustain a set amount of a population - until that population gets to large they start their purges and culls.

As far as I'm concerned socialism is no different than terrorism,

North Korea is a far cry from socialism. Well, depends on how you define socialism but the general consensus of those knowledgeable on the topic would agree that NK is not socialist. As Jet said, it's more of a giant mafia state with monarchical characteristics. It sponsors massive organized crime such as counterfeiting, drug production, and such. In the inside, there's a huge black market that the state is semi-tolerating. Its three generations of hereditary rule and absolute worship of the "Leader" echoes monarchies centuries ago.
FYI, if you really think socialism is terrorism, then :doh
 
I realize that photography is highly restricted in the DPRK. I also realize they bug your rooms so ill be careful of what I say.

Bug your rooms? you do realized you're watched and chaperoned 24-7, and only shown what the North Koreans want you to see??

In what country in the world do you have a "tour guide" at your side 24-7 and are restricted from traveling freely???

The funniest part is that these "tour guides" spend 90% of their time degrading the US and capitalism in general, and another 5% pointing out the dear leaders and how they come from rainbows and are Gods or the children of God.
 
Take one look at North Korea vs South Korea and now tell me which is the more successful economic model? totalitarian socialism or capitalism?

I would love to hear your argument on this one.

North Korea is not totalitarian socialism as I said earlier and South Korea is also far from being a free capitalist state or a democratic one. In fact, its economic miracle occured during its period of fascist dictators.
 
North Korea is a far cry from socialism. Well, depends on how you define socialism but the general consensus of those knowledgeable on the topic would agree that NK is not socialist. As Jet said, it's more of a giant mafia state with monarchical characteristics. It sponsors massive organized crime such as counterfeiting, drug production, and such. In the inside, there's a huge black market that the state is semi-tolerating. Its three generations of hereditary rule and absolute worship of the "Leader" echoes monarchies centuries ago.
FYI, if you really think socialism is terrorism, then :doh

I'll concede to this - North Korea doesn't have enough resources to be a true "socialist nation" which is why they throw most "dissenters" in prison camps along with their families so they can actually employ socialism on the rest who obey to the totalitarian rules set by the regime...

However, that is a typical socialist tactic - you only have enough resources for X amount so the rest dissent must be jailed or culled and forced to rot in prison or provide for the privileged who do live by the "law" like zombies.

Remember the socialist economic model is not designed to handle population growth - which is when China still practiced socialism they had a one-child rule, and usually it was the female that was murdered - because the female could do little for society and could reproduce.

Socialism goes way beyond an economic model and is more of a socioeconomic model - that is cruel to humanity or any nation that practices such an economic ideology.
 
North Korea is not totalitarian socialism as I said earlier and South Korea is also far from being a free capitalist state or a democratic one. In fact, its economic miracle occured during its period of fascist dictators.

North Korea is without question a totalitarian state and there is not one educated person that would argue otherwise.

Apparently you need a dictionary - because I don't even believe North Korean supporters would deny the state is totalitarian - as a matter of fact I think it's one of the reasons they adore the state.
 
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