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Judge strikes down Wisconsin gay marriage ban[W:287:411]

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Hatuey said:
To abstain is to refrain from doing enjoying something. It is most definitely an act.
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No it's an omission.

CLAX1911 said:
I am surprised nobody hs said this to you yet. You are arguing a fallacious point. Argumentum ad naturam is logical fallacy.

Basically you are arguing something being good or bad based on it being natural or unnatural.

The fact that something is natural doesn't make it good. Example:
A grizzly bear naturally defends it's cubs should the bear perceive a threat. If your presence is perceived as a threat than you will no doubt become that bear's business. Definitely not good. Something isn't bad simply because it is unnatural. Example: a train track is man made though it allows food to be moved across the country in places where they have no agriculture.

So, arguing that something is or isn't good based on it being natural or unnatural is a fallacy.
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What element of the telos of a human is contradicted by space travel.

TheNextEra said:
The act of omission is in fact an act.
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An omission is an omission.

Deuce said:
So is space travel.
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What element of the telos of a human is contradicted by space travel?
 
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Paleocon said:
What element of the telos of a human is contradicted by space travel?
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Space travel does not occur in nature. Human beings are physically incapable of it naturally.
 
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Deuce said:
Space travel does not occur in nature. Human beings are physically incapable of it naturally.
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What element of the telos of a human is contradicted by space travel?
 
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Paleocon said:
What element of the telos of a human is contradicted by space travel.

What element of the telos of a human is contradicted by space travel?
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Why did you ask me this? What on earth does it have to do with what I said?
 
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Paleocon said:
What element of the telos of a human is contradicted by space travel?
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What is the "end result" of a human? You do realize that humanity itself is not an act, so there is no "telos" to a human. The purpose of a human or being human is subjective, so there is no real way to answer this. The same though is true for a sexual act. The purpose of sex is subjective. Just because it can result in pregnancy/procreation, does make that its objective purpose. Particularly, it doesn't make it objectively its sole/only purpose.
 
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CLAX1911 said:
Why did you ask me this? What on earth does it have to do with what I said?
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That wasn't directed to you.
 
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CLAX1911 said:
So you were mistaken when you responded to me?
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Those weren't in response to you.
 
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Paleocon said:
What element of the telos of a human is contradicted by space travel?
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Irrelevant and entirely subjective. The question was of being natural, not of "purpose."
 
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Deuce said:
Irrelevant and entirely subjective. The question was of being natural, not of "purpose."
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A thing's purpose is part of its nature.
 
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Paleocon said:
A thing's purpose is part of its nature.
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Has God told you your purpose?
 
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Paleocon said:
What do you mean?
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You keep talking about purpose, but how do you know what your purpose is? My reading of the bible is that nobody can really know what their purpose is. God decides that. So how can a mortal judge rule based on purpose? What basis is our human court system to decide that on?
 
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Deuce said:
You keep talking about purpose, but how do you know what your purpose is? My reading of the bible is that nobody can really know what their purpose is. God decides that. So how can a mortal judge rule based on purpose? What basis is our human court system to decide that on?
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Do you mean my specific individual purpose, or my purpose as a human being generally speaking? If you mean the former, then I'm not entirely sure, but that's not relevant. If you mean the latter, then I can know that by understanding the realities of human nature.
 
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Paleocon said:
Do you mean my specific individual purpose, or my purpose as a human being generally speaking? If you mean the former, then I'm not entirely sure, but that's not relevant. If you mean the latter, then I can know that by understanding the realities of human nature.
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If you can't understand your specific purpose, or any person's specific purpose, it's difficult to speak of purpose in general. None of those things are within your realm.
 
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Paleocon said:
A thing's purpose is part of its nature.
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Subjective statement. First of all, we are talking about a human act, which means that the purpose of the act is subjective. Second, what is in a living thing's nature is subjective. We can say that it is in our nature to help others, but this does not make it true. This is a subjective statement.
 
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Paleocon said:
Do you mean my specific individual purpose, or my purpose as a human being generally speaking? If you mean the former, then I'm not entirely sure, but that's not relevant. If you mean the latter, then I can know that by understanding the realities of human nature.
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Our purposes as human beings are subjective. It is one of the most widely asked philosophical questions on this planets "why are we here?". The answer is subjective. According to The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy the answer is "42". It shows that we don't even know what question we are asking. Human nature is just as subjective as ascribing a single or primary purpose to a human act such as sex.
 
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Deuce said:
If you can't understand your specific purpose, or any person's specific purpose, it's difficult to speak of purpose in general. None of those things are within your realm.
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Why is it beyond my comprehension?
 
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Paleocon said:
Why is it beyond my comprehension?
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You'll have to take it up with God. That was his idea, not mine.
 
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Deuce said:
You'll have to take it up with God. That was his idea, not mine.
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Where did God say that human nature is beyond human comprehension?
 
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Paleocon said:
Where did God say that human nature is beyond human comprehension?
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Where did God say that your belief of what human nature is is correct? Which God is correct about human nature?

Basing morality on what you believe in God saying or how you believe God "designed" people to be is subjective. It is nothing but your beliefs, your opinions. You can't prove that human nature is a certain way, and especially not that it was meant to be a certain way.
 
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Paleocon said:
What element of the telos of a human is contradicted by space travel?
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when did people get a telos?
 
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Paleocon said:
When they were created.
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you mean when you weeper born a doctor declared 1 or when your parents banged they said 1 what do you mean?

not sure your goals are determined by any 1 but yourself
 
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Paleocon said:
When they were created.
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Created by who? Where is the proof of this? Where are the designs for humans? Where is the copy of this "telos" that tells us exactly the intentions of the creator?
 
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