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Judge strikes down Wisconsin gay marriage ban[W:287:411]

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roguenuke said:
You didn't believe them so I'm not going to bother. You simply cannot accept that things are not as you think they are just because you believe they are that way.

Now, are you going to return to the actual topic or try to continue this pointless theological debate in a thread that is not about the existence of God?
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So you're back to refusing to discuss the issue.
 
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Paleocon said:
No, as nothing you say could change the basic realities of, well, reality.
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Well there you go then, that's what makes you a fundamentalist. The difference between you and me is that if new evidence were introduced proving that gay marriage would factually undermine society or prove harmful in any large, concrete way, I would accept it and change my mind. If the possibility of changing your mind doesn't exist, you are a fundamentalist. Fundamentalism isn't just about strapping bombs to your body and blowing up a school bus, it's about regular mundane stuff like this, too. And we can't reason with a fundamentalist, not when he's got God on his side.
 
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Paleocon said:
So you're back to refusing to discuss the issue.
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I'm not discussing whether or not your beliefs are facts or not because any reasonable person can see that this argument has been played out and you refuse to accept the evidence presented to you. Plus, it has nothing to do with the OP. Whether you like it or not, Christianity does not have any place in our secular government, secular laws.
 
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Cardinal said:
Well there you go then, that's what makes you a fundamentalist. The difference between you and me is that if new evidence were introduced proving that gay marriage would factually undermine society or prove harmful in any large, concrete way, I would accept it and change my mind. If the possibility of changing your mind doesn't exist, you are a fundamentalist. Fundamentalism isn't just about strapping bombs to your body and blowing up a school bus, it's about regular mundane stuff like this, too. And we can't reason with a fundamentalist, not when he's got God on his side.
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Personal attacks aside, I should note that gay marriage, in addition to offending God, is also provably wrong in itself, since it inherently condones acts which directly subvert human nature.

roguenuke said:
I'm not discussing whether or not your beliefs are facts or not because any reasonable person can see that this argument has been played out and you refuse to accept the evidence presented to you. Plus, it has nothing to do with the OP. Whether you like it or not, Christianity does not have any place in our secular government, secular laws.
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You're still dodging.
 
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Paleocon said:
Personal attacks aside, I should note that gay marriage, in addition to offending God,
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Fundamentalism. We can't reason with someone who's got God on his side.

is also provably wrong in itself, since it inherently condones acts which directly subvert human nature.
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Do tell.
 
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Cardinal said:
Fundamentalism. We can't reason with someone who's got God on his side.



Do tell.
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Ad hominem.

Do you not know?
 
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Paleocon said:
Ad hominem.
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You can say that til the sun spends the last of its nuclear fuel and goes supernova, it doesn't change the fact that it's not possible to reason with you because no matter what, at the end of the day, you will always be right because you've got God on your side. And that's fundamentalism.

Do you not know?
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Nope.
 
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Cardinal said:
You can say that til the sun spends the last of its nuclear fuel and goes supernova, it doesn't change the fact that it's not possible to reason with you because not matter what, at the end of the day, you will always be right because you've got God on your side. And that's fundamentalism.



Nope.
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Our sun won't go supernova, it's not big enough.

Sodomy. Nearly all homosexual couples engage in sodomy.
 
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Paleocon said:
Sodomy. Nearly all homosexual couples engage in sodomy.
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And what are you basing sodomy being wrong on?
 
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Cardinal said:
And what are you basing sodomy being wrong on?
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It directly subverts the natural end of human sexuality.
 
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Paleocon said:
It directly subverts the natural end of human sexuality.
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And what are you basing it being "natural" on?
 
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Paleocon said:
It directly subverts the natural end of human sexuality.
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There is no objective "natural end of human sexuality". It is only your opinion, which is subjective, that sexuality has to lead to some specific end. It is not something that you can prove must happen, or even should happen.
 
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Cardinal said:
And what are you basing it being "natural" on?
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Reality.

roguenuke said:
There is no objective "natural end of human sexuality". It is only your opinion, which is subjective, that sexuality has to lead to some specific end. It is not something that you can prove must happen, or even should happen.
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This is not a refutation, it is simply an assertion.
 
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Paleocon said:
Reality.

This is not a refutation, it is simply an assertion.
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And assertion of reality. A reality that you simply refuse to accept.
 
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Paleocon said:
Reality is that which is real.
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Exactly! And people practicing what you call "sodomy" is the reality we live in.
 
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roguenuke said:
And assertion of reality. A reality that you simply refuse to accept.
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LOL. Your post had nothing to do with reality. It was based on an anti-realist notion that human sexuality has no objective natural end, which is a load of baloney.
 
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Cardinal said:
Exactly! And people practicing what you call "sodomy" is the reality we live in.
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And sodomy being unnatural is also reality.
 
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Paleocon said:
And sodomy being unnatural is also reality.
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And what are you basing it being unnatural on?
 
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Cardinal said:
And what are you basing it being unnatural on?
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On the natural end of human sexuality, which it plainly contradicts, as any realist can see.
 
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Paleocon said:
On the natural end of human sexuality, which it plainly contradicts, as any realist can see.
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And what is the natural end of human sexuality, and who are the "realists"?
 
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Cardinal said:
And what is the natural end of human sexuality, and who are the "realists"?
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Procreation. The realists are those who accept reality rather than stand around with their heads in the clouds imagining some alternate reality with no connection to reality as it is.
 
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Paleocon said:
Procreation. The realists are those who accept reality rather than stand around with their heads in the clouds imagining some alternate reality with no connection to reality as it is.
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The vast majority of sex, of both humans and even many other animals does not result in procreation. That is reality.
 
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Paleocon said:
Procreation. The realists are those who accept reality rather than stand around with their heads in the clouds imagining some alternate reality with no connection to reality as it is.
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You mean an alternate reality in which non-procreation sex isn't practiced?
 
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