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Judge strikes down Wisconsin gay marriage ban[W:287:411]

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your opinions like all of our opinions of GOD are meanignless to laws, and rights and legal marriage. thats the point.

I personally thank my god that i live in a free country and have rights because without them I could be killed for simply prying to my own god and not somebody elses. Your views seem to not value this at all.

Translation from AJ to English:

God is irrelevant.

I'm thanking God that people ignore him.

My response:

Why should our government exist independent of God?

Translation of my response from English to AJ:

Nope your wrong no facts that's a fact you dont have a fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact
 
re: Judge strikes down Wisconsin gay marriage ban[W:287]

The fact that you dont know only reinforces his point.

IOW, you don't know either.
 
re: Judge strikes down Wisconsin gay marriage ban[W:287]

IOW, you don't know either.

Is that your way of trying to get me to explain it for you?
 
re: Judge strikes down Wisconsin gay marriage ban[W:287]

Is that your way of trying to get me to explain it for you?

Is that your way of evading a question you deigned to answer?
 
re: Judge strikes down Wisconsin gay marriage ban[W:287]

Translation from AJ to English:

1.)God is irrelevant.
2.)I'm thanking God that people ignore him.
3.)Why should our government exist independent of God?

4.)Translation of my response from English to AJ:

Nope your wrong no facts that's a fact you dont have a fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact fact

1.) nope never even suggested that once. Please qoute me saying god is irrelevant? I cant wait to laugh at that lie.
2.) see #1
3.) easy RIGHTS and FREEDOM. what if "our" government choose a god not yours????
4.) well you got one thing right, you havent posted any facts a

let us know when you can defend your failed claim or continue with these deflections cause watching your posts fail is hilarious.
 
re: Judge strikes down Wisconsin gay marriage ban[W:287]

The fact that you dont know only reinforces his point.

BINGO!!!!

some people simply dont care about rights and freedoms they only want thier subjective opinions and morals forced on others
 
re: Judge strikes down Wisconsin gay marriage ban[W:287]

1.) nope never even suggested that once. Please qoute me saying god is irrelevant? I cant wait to laugh at that lie.
2.) see #1
3.) easy RIGHTS and FREEDOM. what if "our" government choose a god not yours????
4.) well you got one thing right, you havent posted any facts a

let us know when you can defend your failed claim or continue with these deflections cause watching your posts fail is hilarious.

1) You claimed that the government should ignore God.
2) see 1
3) And what of the rights of God? It would be wrong for them to support a false religion.
 
re: Judge strikes down Wisconsin gay marriage ban[W:287]

1) You claimed that the government should ignore God.
2) see 1
3) And what of the rights of God? It would be wrong for them to support a false religion.

The government should ignore any claim any person or group or religion or religious texts make over what God wants because no one can possibly be certain of that.

God, until he/she is proven to exist, does not have rights. You can't prove which religion is false and which is real, which is exactly why we have a secular government.

As has been pointed out to you, would you want the government to choose a God to believe that wasn't the same as the one you believe in? Why would you force others to live under the rules of your God just because you believe you are believing in the correct God?
 
re: Judge strikes down Wisconsin gay marriage ban[W:287]

1) You claimed that the government should ignore God.
2) see 1
3) And what of the rights of God?
4.)It would be wrong for them to support a false religion.

1.) factually wrong, never did this one time and nobody honest and educated will buy this lie.
If you disagree simply qoute me saying this LMAO
2.) yes please see 1
3.) what of them? they arent impacted at all by rights and freedom. In fact they are empowered and protected, thats my point.
4.) you mean your OPINION of a false religion, I KNEW you would dodged this question because it totally exposes your failed post.

facts win again

thank you again for proving my post right
to bad freedom and rights bother you but maybe theres a county out there where they dont have those things and you can force your subjective views and morals on others.
 
re: Judge strikes down Wisconsin gay marriage ban[W:287]

Then quit presuming to speak for him.

He has spoken already.

The government should ignore any claim any person or group or religion or religious texts make over what God wants because no one can possibly be certain of that.

God, until he/she is proven to exist, does not have rights. You can't prove which religion is false and which is real, which is exactly why we have a secular government.

As has been pointed out to you, would you want the government to choose a God to believe that wasn't the same as the one you believe in? Why would you force others to live under the rules of your God just because you believe you are believing in the correct God?

God can be proven to exist, and the true religion can be proven:

http://www.debatepolitics.com/relig...8-christian-secularists-5.html#post1063196439

I wouldn't want the government supporting a false god, because that would be disconnected from reality. What makes the true God different is that he is the true God.
 
re: Judge strikes down Wisconsin gay marriage ban[W:287]

Your point?

It's impossible to reason with a religious fundamentalist.
 
re: Judge strikes down Wisconsin gay marriage ban[W:287]

He has spoken already.

God can be proven to exist, and the true religion can be proven:

http://www.debatepolitics.com/relig...8-christian-secularists-5.html#post1063196439

I wouldn't want the government supporting a false god, because that would be disconnected from reality. What makes the true God different is that he is the true God.

You cannot prove that the God you believe in (and that means that this God is exactly how you believe in Him) exists. You can't. You may want to believe that you or someone else has proven the existence of your god, but you would be wrong.

You cannot prove a true God, no matter how much you might want to believe that you have/did.
 
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It's impossible to reason with a religious fundamentalist.

I'm not a fundamentalist.

You cannot prove that the God you believe in (and that means that this God is exactly how you believe in Him) exists. You can't. You may want to believe that you or someone else has proven the existence of your god, but you would be wrong.

You cannot prove a true God, no matter how much you might want to believe that you have/did.

You're dodging the argument given.
 
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I'm not a fundamentalist.

You're dodging the argument given.

Your argument is subjective and pointless. You cannot possibly prove that your version of God exists. You simply can't. And that means that any version of God or anyone's god can be chosen in place of yours to follow without a secular government.

If any particular God were ever truly proven to exist, we would not have so many religions and especially not so many denominations within those major religions.
 
re: Judge strikes down Wisconsin gay marriage ban[W:287]

Your argument is subjective and pointless. You cannot possibly prove that your version of God exists. You simply can't. And that means that any version of God or anyone's god can be chosen in place of yours to follow without a secular government.

If any particular God were ever truly proven to exist, we would not have so many religions and especially not so many denominations within those major religions.

Again, you haven't refuted the argument.
 
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"God can be proven to exist, and the true religion can be proven"
factually hasnt happened yet
 
re: Judge strikes down Wisconsin gay marriage ban[W:287]

Again, you haven't refuted the argument.

There is no true argument to refute. Claiming that you have proved your God's existence is a known falsehood. It cannot possibly be true. It is definitely subjective. Therefore, there is nothing truly to refute. Just because you believe that you are right and have proven something, doesn't make it true. You haven't proven anything and others in that thread showed you that.
 
re: Judge strikes down Wisconsin gay marriage ban[W:287]

There is no true argument to refute. Claiming that you have proved your God's existence is a known falsehood. It cannot possibly be true. It is definitely subjective. Therefore, there is nothing truly to refute. Just because you believe that you are right and have proven something, doesn't make it true. You haven't proven anything and others in that thread showed you that.

To rougenuke:

Again, you haven't refuted the argument.

To any psychologists or other persons who find human behavior fascinating who are reading this:

Note how when faced with an argument which he (rougenuke) cannot refute, but which threatens his worldview, he, being nonrational, refuses to even consider it mentally, as it disproves one of the starting axioms of his understanding of reality.
 
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I'm not a fundamentalist.

You're a fundamentalist if its not possible to reason with you and there's no room for someone with opposing beliefs to coexist with you. After all, you fully believe that you've got the word of God on your side. No way any of us can compete with that. There is nothing we could say or do that could convince you any other point of view could hold legitimacy.
 
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Is that your way of evading a question you deigned to answer?

Yup...I deigned not to answer.

Meaning I do know, but still deigned not to.

(If you're going to use a new word, make sure you use it correctly) :mrgreen:
 
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To rougenuke:

Again, you haven't refuted the argument.

To any psychologists or other persons who find human behavior fascinating who are reading this:

Note how when faced with an argument which he (rougenuke) cannot refute, but which threatens his worldview, he, being nonrational, refuses to even consider it mentally, as it disproves one of the starting axioms of his understanding of reality.

You have not presented a valid argument. You refer people to Aquinas Five and then when those are refuted (as has been in the past, I will not bother to go into it, look it up yourself, since I've already done this with you at least once before), you simply repeat and try to say that no refutation of your argument has been presented when it isn't even your argument to begin with, but rather an argument presented by a Priest centuries ago.

Again, you have provided no valid argument that your God (not just the Christian God, but your exact God, the God that is exactly how you see Him) exists. You really haven't provided a valid argument for the existence of the Christian God. Even if we were to accept Aquinas Five, it could easily work for the existence of any God, not just the Christian God.

Oh, and if you are going to try to "point me out" to people, you might want to get a couple of things right, such as my screenname and my gender, both of which you screwed up.
 
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