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    re: Judge strikes down Wisconsin gay marriage ban[W:287]

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    State sanctioned homosexual unions were not part of modern society until after the year 2000 and it's questionable that anything like our modern state-sanctioned marriage ever existed in any routine form among any society until now.
    You don't know that. As I told DemonofLight the percentage of gay people never really goes above 5%. The odds of ssm being widely recorded, or for that matter for those records to survive throughout the centuries, can only result in sporadic reports of same sex marriage.

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    re: Judge strikes down Wisconsin gay marriage ban[W:287]

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    But the current battle is over STATE-SANCTIONED homosexual unions. Homosexual unions have always existed as some small percentage of unions, illicit or otherwise. But state sanctioned is what we're fighting over.
    It looks like proponents of same sex marriage or unions is winning.

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    re: Judge strikes down Wisconsin gay marriage ban[W:287]

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    It looks like proponents of same sex marriage or unions is winning.
    I think you're right. And I think so far, it's playing out the right way for a democratic republic. People who want change should fight for the change they want and people who are against the change should dig their heels in and present as much resistance as they feel it deserves and that's how society works it out.
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    re: Judge strikes down Wisconsin gay marriage ban[W:287]

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    So do I and I've never seen the constitutional guarantee of state sanctioned homosexual marriage so it's moot point.
    Equal protection under the law. There's quite a few judicial decisions to that effect, feel free to read them.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    re: Judge strikes down Wisconsin gay marriage ban[W:287]

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    Equal protection under the law. There's quite a few judicial decisions to that effect, feel free to read them.
    I've read them and just disagree with them.
    You can't reason anyone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into in the first place.

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    re: Judge strikes down Wisconsin gay marriage ban[W:287]

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    I've read them and just disagree with them.
    Do you disagree with the tests of constitutional scrutiny method? Or do you agree with the method but believe same-sex marriage bans meet the test?
    Last edited by Deuce; 06-08-14 at 06:23 PM.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    re: Judge strikes down Wisconsin gay marriage ban[W:287]

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    Hey, in my lifetime we went from homosexuality being illegal to civil unions. What's not to be happy about that for homosexuals?
    and this sentences tells me all i need to know about your views.

    why would anybody that respects freedom and equal rights be happy about two things that are the same?

    when it was illegal that was a equal rights violation
    civil unions are still an equal rights violation

    so nothing in reality changed, thats not anythign to be "happy" about really. Its nice SOME progress was made but I dont see the happiness thats absurd to think that would do it.


    hey slaves listen up, we still arent considered mean and have to work against her will but master is no longer allowed to directly kills us. He can beat us almost to death and if we die from working to hard thats fine but he cant directly kills with a gun or knife or things of that manner. OH HAPPY DAYS LETS ALL BE HAPPY! lol

    sorry illegal to civil unions is still the denial of rights and equality.
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    re: Judge strikes down Wisconsin gay marriage ban[W:287]

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    But the current battle is over STATE-SANCTIONED homosexual unions. Homosexual unions have always existed as some small percentage of unions, illicit or otherwise. But state sanctioned is what we're fighting over.
    no its over stat denying rights
    thats what is ACTUALLY going on.

    the state is overstepping its power and violating individual rights and the FED is fixing that since thats its job.
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    re: Judge strikes down Wisconsin gay marriage ban[W:287]

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Do you disagree with the tests of constitutional scrutiny method? Or do you agree with the method but believe same-sex marriage bans meet the test?
    I believe homosexuals already have equal rights and don't agree that equal rights" applies to anything but people. In the case of homosexual marriage, what advocates are actually arguing is that all relationships are equal and must be treated the same by the state.
    You can't reason anyone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into in the first place.

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    re: Judge strikes down Wisconsin gay marriage ban[W:287]

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    In the case of homosexual marriage, what advocates are actually arguing is that all relationships are equal and must be treated the same by the state.
    Incorrect. I guess you aren't actually familiar with the test of constitutional scrutiny under the 14th.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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