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    Re: Judge strikes down Wisconsin gay marriage ban[W:287]

    Quote Originally Posted by blarg View Post
    no they don't
    what makes the stand in not divine is that it doesn't have to be intelligent
    Why not?

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    Re: Judge strikes down Wisconsin gay marriage ban[W:287]

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    They prove that an intelligent being created the universe.
    No they don't, and I've posted why they don't. They are merely an attempt to explain answers to unknowns using "God" the same way others have done in the past. It is just an attempt to do so with more scientific knowledge about the world around us involved.
    "A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Judge strikes down Wisconsin gay marriage ban[W:287]

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    First I'll refer you to Aquinas's five ways to prove that God exists.

    Then there's the fact that since an intelligent being created everything, everything has a telos.
    We have destroyed Aquinas before. Do you think we've forgotten?
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Judge strikes down Wisconsin gay marriage ban[W:287]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    We have destroyed Aquinas before. Do you think we've forgotten?
    How have you done this?

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    Re: Judge strikes down Wisconsin gay marriage ban[W:287]

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    How have you done this?
    By disproving him.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    Re: Judge strikes down Wisconsin gay marriage ban[W:287]

    DId you not read RN's link?

    All of it is the justification of a divine being. It is the opposite of science, Aquinas BEGINS with the assumption of the divine being and then invents reasons to support it.

    "Aquinas states that common sense tells us that the universe works in such a way, that one can conclude that is was designed by an intelligent designer."

    *sigh* Even Aquinas admits he cant 'explain' it....
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    Re: Judge strikes down Wisconsin gay marriage ban[W:287]

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    Why not?
    what makes the stand in not divine is that it doesn't have to be intelligent

    did you mean why is that?

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    Re: Judge strikes down Wisconsin gay marriage ban[W:287]

    Quote Originally Posted by blarg View Post
    what makes the stand in not divine is that it doesn't have to be intelligent

    did you mean why is that?
    I dont see any distinction. It refers to a higher being. Period. And there is ZERO proof of that.

    What philosophers do is choose not to deify them. What the religious do IS deify them. It doesnt matter....it's not real.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Judge strikes down Wisconsin gay marriage ban[W:287]

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    A thing's purpose is part of its nature.
    Gotcha!

    There are two methods to discern the will of "god".

    Words written by men and observation of the created universe.

    There are two species where females are sexually receptive at all times but only fertile part of that time; humans and bonobo chimps.

    The fact that human females can have sex even when not fertile is pretty solid evidence that "god" had more than procreation in mind for sex. If not, women would have "seasons" like all the other mammals.

    Further, take the bonobo. Innocent as all animals are. They have a matriarchal social order and spend a ridiculous amount of time engaged in sexual acts, including sodomy (oral).

    So do we believe words on paper put there by men or what can clearly be observed in "gods" creation itself?

    "God" made women to engage in sex without being fertile. What he made contradicts what you believe.

    Unless you believe in "douchebag god" who built us temptable, in a world full of temptations, and damns us for eternity if we give in to the process "he" created in the first place.

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    Re: Judge strikes down Wisconsin gay marriage ban[W:287]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    I dont see any distinction. It refers to a higher being. Period. And there is ZERO proof of that.

    What philosophers do is choose not to deify them. What the religious do IS deify them. It doesnt matter....it's not real.
    how things got to be like this is a real question probably dose have a reel answer

    I don't know a god is not real just that its not necessary based on any argument iv ever seen

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