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    Re: Judge strikes down Wisconsin gay marriage ban[W:287]

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    When they were created.
    Prove it. Prove humans have a telos. Esp. since it is so easy...(this can be proven)...for them not to fulfill any such thing.

    Why would humans be imbued with telos if they can so easily use their free will to not fulfill it?
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Judge strikes down Wisconsin gay marriage ban[W:287]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Prove it. Prove humans have a telos. Esp. since it is so easy...(this can be proven)...for them not to fulfill any such thing.

    Why would humans be imbued with telos if they can so easily use their free will to not fulfill it?
    Everything has a telos.

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    Re: Judge strikes down Wisconsin gay marriage ban[W:287]

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    Everything has a telos.
    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Prove it. Prove humans have a telos. Esp. since it is so easy...(this can be proven)...for them not to fulfill any such thing.

    Why would humans be imbued with telos if they can so easily use their free will to not fulfill it?
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Judge strikes down Wisconsin gay marriage ban[W:287]

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    Everything has a telos.
    prove it

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    Re: Judge strikes down Wisconsin gay marriage ban[W:287]

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    Everything has a telos.
    As others have said, prove it. And then prove that the "telos" of humans is exactly what you believe it is based on the "creator's" words or actual designs (I want blueprints and/or specific instructions written by this "creator"). (Hint: the Bible and all other religious texts were written by men, not a creator/higher power/God.)
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Judge strikes down Wisconsin gay marriage ban[W:287]

    Quote Originally Posted by blarg View Post
    prove it
    First I'll refer you to Aquinas's five ways to prove that God exists.

    Then there's the fact that since an intelligent being created everything, everything has a telos.

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    Re: Judge strikes down Wisconsin gay marriage ban[W:287]

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    First I'll refer you to Aquinas's five ways to prove that God exists.

    Then there's the fact that since an intelligent being created everything, everything has a telos.
    those don't pan out either god is also imposable or a non divine stand in Will do

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    Re: Judge strikes down Wisconsin gay marriage ban[W:287]

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    First I'll refer you to Aquinas's five ways to prove that God exists.

    Then there's the fact that since an intelligent being created everything, everything has a telos.
    Aquina's five ways prove nothing. There has been countless threads on this that show that those are easily refuted because they require having set assumptions made from the beginning, not to mention they have nothing whatsoever to do with "telos"/teleology.

    Prove "an intelligent being created everything". You can't. And no, Aquina's five ways do not prove this. As I said, those start from the illogical position that certain assumptions must be made to begin with. They also involve some subjective assumptions, such as everyone assuming that the "prime mover" is God. This is not true.

    Heck, the very stating of "nothing exists without something else" proves the paradox and the problem. If things cannot simply "pop" into existence, then where did "God" come from?

    http://www.vorpal.us/2007/10/the-fiv...all-dead-ends/

    Aquinas is basically just saying "I don't know what caused those first things to exist, to move, so it must have been "God".

    Refuting the Five Ways of Aquinas | Philippine Atheists and Agnostics Society (PATAS)Philippine Atheists and Agnostics Society (PATAS)

    You have not provided proof or evidence, only opinion. You are trying to use philosophy as fact, it isn't. Philosophy is subjective.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Judge strikes down Wisconsin gay marriage ban[W:287]

    Quote Originally Posted by blarg View Post
    those don't pan out either god is also imposable or a non divine stand in Will do
    They prove that an intelligent being created the universe.

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    Re: Judge strikes down Wisconsin gay marriage ban[W:287]

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    They prove that an intelligent being created the universe.
    no they don't
    what makes the stand in not divine is that it doesn't have to be intelligent

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