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    Re: Judge strikes down Wisconsin gay marriage ban[W:287]

    Quote Originally Posted by CLAX1911 View Post
    I am surprised nobody hs said this to you yet. You are arguing a fallacious point. Argumentum ad naturam is logical fallacy.

    Basically you are arguing something being good or bad based on it being natural or unnatural.

    The fact that something is natural doesn't make it good. Example:
    A grizzly bear naturally defends it's cubs should the bear perceive a threat. If your presence is perceived as a threat than you will no doubt become that bear's business. Definitely not good. Something isn't bad simply because it is unnatural. Example: a train track is man made though it allows food to be moved across the country in places where they have no agriculture.

    So, arguing that something is or isn't good based on it being natural or unnatural is a fallacy.
    and he's perverting the word natural ironically as well

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    Re: Judge strikes down Wisconsin gay marriage ban[W:287]

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    Abstaining is an omission, not an act.
    its just as counter to all natural drives and ability's to reproduce as having a partner who is completely infertile or being in a couple that is not able to reproduce together your being hypocritical

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    The argument appealed only to objective reality, it had no subjective appeal.

    Sodomy is more unnatural than contraception because it absolutely excludes procreation, whereas contraception does not.

    They are both unnatural however.
    So is space travel.
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    Re: Judge strikes down Wisconsin gay marriage ban[W:287]

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    Abstaining is an omission, not an act.
    uhm no it is an act, thats a fact
    Omission - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

    : the act of omitting : the state of being omitted

    not that it matter because the argument was a complete failure anyway, this just further proves it
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    So is space travel.
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    Re: Judge strikes down Wisconsin gay marriage ban[W:287]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    To abstain is to refrain from doing enjoying something. It is most definitely an act.
    No it's an omission.

    Quote Originally Posted by CLAX1911 View Post
    I am surprised nobody hs said this to you yet. You are arguing a fallacious point. Argumentum ad naturam is logical fallacy.

    Basically you are arguing something being good or bad based on it being natural or unnatural.

    The fact that something is natural doesn't make it good. Example:
    A grizzly bear naturally defends it's cubs should the bear perceive a threat. If your presence is perceived as a threat than you will no doubt become that bear's business. Definitely not good. Something isn't bad simply because it is unnatural. Example: a train track is man made though it allows food to be moved across the country in places where they have no agriculture.

    So, arguing that something is or isn't good based on it being natural or unnatural is a fallacy.
    What element of the telos of a human is contradicted by space travel.

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    The act of omission is in fact an act.
    An omission is an omission.

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    So is space travel.
    What element of the telos of a human is contradicted by space travel?

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    Re: Judge strikes down Wisconsin gay marriage ban[W:287]

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post

    What element of the telos of a human is contradicted by space travel?
    Space travel does not occur in nature. Human beings are physically incapable of it naturally.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Judge strikes down Wisconsin gay marriage ban[W:287]

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Space travel does not occur in nature. Human beings are physically incapable of it naturally.
    What element of the telos of a human is contradicted by space travel?

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    Re: Judge strikes down Wisconsin gay marriage ban[W:287]

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    What element of the telos of a human is contradicted by space travel.

    What element of the telos of a human is contradicted by space travel?
    Why did you ask me this? What on earth does it have to do with what I said?
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    Re: Judge strikes down Wisconsin gay marriage ban[W:287]

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    What element of the telos of a human is contradicted by space travel?
    What is the "end result" of a human? You do realize that humanity itself is not an act, so there is no "telos" to a human. The purpose of a human or being human is subjective, so there is no real way to answer this. The same though is true for a sexual act. The purpose of sex is subjective. Just because it can result in pregnancy/procreation, does make that its objective purpose. Particularly, it doesn't make it objectively its sole/only purpose.
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