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    Re: Judge strikes down Wisconsin gay marriage ban[W:287]

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    They are both unnatural, although contraception does not absolutely preclude conception and is thus less unnatural than sodomy.
    Less unnatural.

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    Sex with a woman who is too old to have children is non-procreative due to a condition of the person (accidental to the act itself), whereas sodomy is by nature of the act non-procreative.

    The act of fornication tends to produce children out of wedlock, this it is irrational.
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    Re: Judge strikes down Wisconsin gay marriage ban[W:287]

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    Less unnatural.



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    What?

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    Re: Judge strikes down Wisconsin gay marriage ban[W:287]

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    What?
    You are twisting and turning to try and explain that one type of non-procreative sex is bad, while others are acceptable. Mental gymnastics, moving goalposts. It's irrelevant anyway. Gay people already can have sex. This is a thread about marriage, not sex.
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    Re: Judge strikes down Wisconsin gay marriage ban[W:287]

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    You are twisting and turning to try and explain that one type of non-procreative sex is bad, while others are acceptable. Mental gymnastics, moving goalposts. It's irrelevant anyway. Gay people already can have sex. This is a thread about marriage, not sex.
    That you don't get something doesn't make it mental gymnastics.

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    Re: Judge strikes down Wisconsin gay marriage ban[W:287]

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    That you don't get something doesn't make it mental gymnastics.
    I think what he is trying to say is that you're failing in your attempt to fit different relationships into some completely made up order for what is natural and unnatural.
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    I think what he is trying to say is that you're failing in your attempt to fit different relationships into some completely made up order for what is natural and unnatural.
    Then he's incorrect.

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    Re: Judge strikes down Wisconsin gay marriage ban[W:287]

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    Then he's incorrect.
    He's not the only one who thinks you're failing. You've basically created a subjective pyramid of things that are and aren't natural with no way to measure them or arguments that qualify them conclusively.
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    Re: Judge strikes down Wisconsin gay marriage ban[W:287]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    He's not the only one who thinks you're failing. You've basically created a subjective pyramid of things that are and aren't natural with no way to measure them or arguments that qualify them conclusively.
    What arguments have i made that are subjective?

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    Re: Judge strikes down Wisconsin gay marriage ban[W:287]

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    What arguments have i made that are subjective?
    Your classification of contraception as being less unnatural than homosexuality for example. What exactly makes it more natural than homosexuality if homosexuality exists in the natural world and contraception doesn't?
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    Re: Judge strikes down Wisconsin gay marriage ban[W:287]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Your classification of contraception as being less unnatural than homosexuality for example. What exactly makes it more natural than homosexuality if homosexuality exists in the natural world and contraception doesn't?
    The argument appealed only to objective reality, it had no subjective appeal.

    Sodomy is more unnatural than contraception because it absolutely excludes procreation, whereas contraception does not.

    They are both unnatural however.

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