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    Re: Judge strikes down Wisconsin gay marriage ban[W:287]

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    They can vary extremely.
    To what end?

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    Re: Judge strikes down Wisconsin gay marriage ban[W:287]

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    I already explained it. If your claim is that sodomy laws make it illegal for homosexuals to "be themselves", then you are defining "themselves" by their sodomy. And the really strange thing is that this isn't strange. It's not strange because homosexuals do that to themselves. The only people in the world that I know of that define themselves primarily by their sexual behavior is the GLBT community. Your post merely reinforced that.
    Your post seriously misunderstands why rights groups come into existence to begin with. If you said that Prohibition made it illegal for people to socialize with their favorite drinks, would you be defining people as drinkers? No. However, it'd be perfectly fine to say that those laws definitely suppressed aspects of the existence of drinkers. Likewise, sodomy laws suppress a specific aspect in the life of a homosexual. That homosexuals have banded together against those particular laws is indicative that they were singled out for their sexuality to begin with.

    In short: An aspect of your existence does not define who you are anymore than the shoes you like to wear. However, groups - regardless of sexuality, creed, race and gender have banded together regularly against laws they see as draconian even if what is being banned does not in any way define the group.

    List of examples:

    - Ending prohibition - Did opposing prohibition define one as a drinker?
    - Ending the segregation marriage - Did opposing laws segregating mean one was in a segregated relationship?
    - Equal treatment - Did supporting equal treatment of men and women define one as a woman?

    What's far more interesting is that there are people who aren't even gay and are opposed to these laws on the basis that such a law for heterosexuals would be laughed out of existence.
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    Re: Judge strikes down Wisconsin gay marriage ban[W:287]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    The vast majority of sex, of both humans and even many other animals does not result in procreation. That is reality.
    I guess he hasn't heard of contraception either?

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    Re: Judge strikes down Wisconsin gay marriage ban[W:287]

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    What essential difference is there between dancing and walking?
    What essential difference is there between an opposite sex couple having sex for intimacy and pleasure using contraception and a same-sex couple having sex for intimacy and pleasure? Neither will result in 'procreation'.

    The reality is that the vast majority of heterosexual couples use contraception because they want to be able to have sex and NOT "procreate".

    Just how much time in the lifetime of a relationship are any heterosexual couples having sex that ends in 'procreation'? 10 or 20 minutes? Out of 50 years together?

    (For the Duggar family, maybe 120 minutes, unless he's pretty quick)
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    Re: Judge strikes down Wisconsin gay marriage ban[W:287]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    What do you think the goals of dancing and walking are?
    Religious zealots don't approve of people having sex standing up.... it might lead to dancing.

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    Re: Judge strikes down Wisconsin gay marriage ban[W:287]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ceist View Post
    What essential difference is there between an opposite sex couple having sex for intimacy and pleasure using contraception and a same-sex couple having sex for intimacy and pleasure? Neither will result in 'procreation'.
    They are both unnatural, although contraception does not absolutely preclude conception and is thus less unnatural than sodomy.

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    Re: Judge strikes down Wisconsin gay marriage ban[W:287]

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    They are both unnatural, although contraception does not absolutely preclude conception and is thus less unnatural than sodomy.
    my girl friend is to old to have kids so is are sex unnatural to?

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    Re: Judge strikes down Wisconsin gay marriage ban[W:287]

    Quote Originally Posted by blarg View Post
    my girl friend is to old to have kids so is are sex unnatural to?
    Her infertility is not deliberately willed, so no. Although fornication is irrational even if not unnatural.

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    Re: Judge strikes down Wisconsin gay marriage ban[W:287]

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    Her infertility is not deliberately willed, so no. Although fornication is irrational even if not unnatural.
    very confused why some sex that cant result in procreation is unnatural then its not like same sex couples will themselves to not being able to pro create with one another

    and its perfectly rational it feels nice and its a good activity to bond over or bondage over if your into that kind of thing

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    Re: Judge strikes down Wisconsin gay marriage ban[W:287]

    Quote Originally Posted by blarg View Post
    very confused why some sex that cant result in procreation is unnatural then its not like same sex couples will themselves to not being able to pro create with one another

    and its perfectly rational it feels nice and its a good activity to bond over or bondage over if your into that kind of thing
    Sex with a woman who is too old to have children is non-procreative due to a condition of the person (accidental to the act itself), whereas sodomy is by nature of the act non-procreative.

    The act of fornication tends to produce children out of wedlock, this it is irrational.

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