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    Re: Judge strikes down Wisconsin gay marriage ban[W:287]

    Quote Originally Posted by MasterLiberty View Post
    My reason behind this would be a seperation of church and state. Marraige is a religious ceremony and has only recently in the past 60 or so years been granted priviledges by the federal government and "recognition." To understand why the feds interviened in this religious practice you have to understand what they wanted to do. These benefits are no less than subsidies to encourage same sex couples to spur population growth and to stablize american family life. Same sex couples have no reproductive capabilities and thus offering them the same subsidies would be a waste of time and money. The distinction in name would be to appease the needs and "rights" of same sex couples while at the same time not overreaching into a religious practice where government has no real business interloping.
    Recommend you actually check a list of the 1000+ rights denied by pseudo-marriage. Only a fraction have anything to do with government funds. I guess you also support forcefully divorcing hetero couples who cannot reproduce too then? How about couples in their 80s? Let's just divorce everyone once they can't pop out kids! And annul the marriage for good measure.

    I love how you put it as "rights" too, like nothing will more quickly give away that you actually don't give a damn. So obvious when someone suddenly "supports" DPs as a desperate compromise to preserve marriage inequality.

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    Re: Judge strikes down Wisconsin gay marriage ban[W:287]

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    No, this actually goes to my SECOND point.
    i really don't believe a word of what he said there

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    Re: Judge strikes down Wisconsin gay marriage ban[W:287]

    Quote Originally Posted by MasterLiberty View Post
    Given the changes that I proposed care to explain how they would be inferior?? If they are given all the same legal rights?? Prove to me that the statement I made was wrong without simply stating otherwise, thank you.
    How about heterosexual couples have their marriages annulled and be given the civil union option and homosexuals can have marriages?

    Separate but equal is inherently unequal, my friend. It creates a state-sanctioned stigma, declaring that homosexual couples just aren't good enough to use our word. If you need proof, just think about your first reaction to the question above.
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    Re: Judge strikes down Wisconsin gay marriage ban[W:287]

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    i really don't believe a word of what he said there
    I always find it something of a statistical anomaly how those most opposed to same sex marriage always manage to have the largest number of gay friends, or at least have come across a larger number of gay people in their lives than anyone else has while living in Portland or San Francisco.

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    Re: Judge strikes down Wisconsin gay marriage ban[W:287]

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    How about heterosexual couples have their marriages annulled and be given the civil union option and homosexuals can have marriages?

    Separate but equal is inherently unequal, my friend. It creates a state-sanctioned stigma, declaring that homosexual couples just aren't good enough to use our word. If you need proof, just think about your first reaction to the question above.
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    Re: Judge strikes down Wisconsin gay marriage ban[W:287]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    I asked about this, no response.
    Sorry had to sleep. Anyways I'm awake and ready for some action let me first start by saying I have many homosexual friends half of whom have made the very same arguement that I made to you and YES my friends happen to be CONSERVATIVE HOMOSEXUALS. Something that must be very foreign and quite oxymoronical to those of you on the left. However they make the case that the core of the LGBT wishes to do as much as possible to destroy conventional views and family lifestyles (keep in mind those conservatives IN the LGBT get shunned by the largely liberal group). One arguement that I have been presented with by people who are gay themselves is that this opens a very slippery slope. If we let gays marry then what? Polygamy? Beastiality? What about the man who is quite partial to that foot mannequin?? When you open something like marraige up to redefinition you open the flood gates for other objectors outside of the norm.

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    Re: Judge strikes down Wisconsin gay marriage ban[W:287]

    Quote Originally Posted by MasterLiberty View Post
    Sorry had to sleep. Anyways I'm awake and ready for some action let me first start by saying I have many homosexual friends half of whom have made the very same arguement that I made to you and YES my friends happen to be CONSERVATIVE HOMOSEXUALS. Something that must be very foreign and quite oxymoronical to those of you on the left. However they make the case that the core of the LGBT wishes to do as much as possible to destroy conventional views and family lifestyles (keep in mind those conservatives IN the LGBT get shunned by the largely liberal group). One arguement that I have been presented with by people who are gay themselves is that this opens a very slippery slope. If we let gays marry then what? Polygamy? Beastiality? What about the man who is quite partial to that foot mannequin?? When you open something like marraige up to redefinition you open the flood gates for other objectors outside of the norm.
    That has nothing to do with what I posted to you, which had actual questions in it. However it is a retread of just about every SSM cliche I've read! LMAO

    Because your 'civil unions,' if the "equal" as you claim would prevent none of those things!

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    Re: Judge strikes down Wisconsin gay marriage ban[W:287]

    Master Liberty, do these ring any bells?

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    So you propose 'separate but equal?' The decision was that it is not equal.

    And why should tax payers pay for the bureaucracy to maintain two systems? I thought Republicans and conservatives wanted smaller govt?
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    So then all new straight civil ceremonies would also be moved to the new civil unions?

    And you are incorrect about reproduction. There are millions of families headed by gay couples. They have bio kids, step-kids, adopted kids, and use in-vitro and surrogacy. Gay couples wish to have families just as much as straight people...being gay doesnt damage your reproductive instincts.

    Next question would be tho...would any sterile couples, couples beyond reproductive years, and couples who chose not to have kids also have to have a civil union? It seems "equal.'
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    Re: Judge strikes down Wisconsin gay marriage ban[W:287]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Master Liberty, do these ring any bells?
    Ahhh yes thanks ^_^. The two systems would be treated the same only the name would be different which is as simple as adding an extra box to check on forms so that won't cost tax payers anything.

    Straight couple may pursue a civil union if they wish to over a conventional marraige although the two are the same thing.

    While you have listed many ways for Gays to "procure" kids as I would say not "reproduce". Artificial production of children has opened the door for them to be more family oriented and to have kids that may have 1 of the parent's DNA so yes that does help.

    As legal marraige is SOLELY for tax purposes I would suppose that sterile couples, and older couples, as well as couples who do not wish to have kids would be EXCLUDED from having any benefits associated with having children however their union would still be referred to as a marraige as this is still the legal precedent in place today and to change precedent would upset the balance.

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    Re: Judge strikes down Wisconsin gay marriage ban[W:287]

    Quote Originally Posted by MasterLiberty View Post
    Sorry had to sleep. Anyways I'm awake and ready for some action let me first start by saying I have many homosexual friends half of whom have made the very same arguement that I made to you and YES my friends happen to be CONSERVATIVE HOMOSEXUALS. Something that must be very foreign and quite oxymoronical to those of you on the left. However they make the case that the core of the LGBT wishes to do as much as possible to destroy conventional views and family lifestyles (keep in mind those conservatives IN the LGBT get shunned by the largely liberal group). One arguement that I have been presented with by people who are gay themselves is that this opens a very slippery slope. If we let gays marry then what? Polygamy? Beastiality? What about the man who is quite partial to that foot mannequin?? When you open something like marraige up to redefinition you open the flood gates for other objectors outside of the norm.
    the fastest way to not be taken seriously on ths equal rights topic is to bring up "beastilaty". Nobody honest and educated will ever take that failed asinine argument seriously.

    the fact is with dealing in legality there is no "slippery slope" its all made up just like the factually notequal solution you proposed.

    Can you present any arguments that actually are accurate have merit and pertain to equal rights? or a solution that is equal besides simply granting equal rights?
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