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    Re: Judge strikes down Wisconsin gay marriage ban[W:287]

    Quote Originally Posted by MasterLiberty View Post
    My question is... why is this even being taken by the courts as Wisconsin already permits domestic partnerships. Correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't a domestic partnership have the same legal status and rights as a married couple?? If so... than isn't this lawsuit frivilous to begin with and therefore should be thrown out?

    I support Domestic Partnerships and Civil Unions, but am opposed to gay 'marraige' for namesake purposes only. Marraige is solely exclusive to heterosexual couples and has been for thousands of years of human history. If gays have the same rights and are simply referred to differently in regards to their union status I see no reason for this lawsuit to be relevant.
    Civil unions MAY have the same rights at the state level, in Wisconsin, and probably in other states that recognize civil unions. They won't have the same rights in states that don't recognize civil unions. However, states do generally recognize ALL marriages, even those that wouldn't be legal in that state (cousins, etc.). I could go into it, but the point is they just are not equivalent legal institutions, especially outside the state that granted the civil union.

    And I really appreciate the sentiment (no sarcasm intended) about granting these couples equal rights, but marriage/married/spouse are just simplifying labels (besides the many legal ramifications). Are they married or single? Neither, so are they 'unioned?' All kinds of things divide between married and single, spouses or not. There is no real purpose in the distinction for equivalent legal relationships, in my view.

    FWIW, I don't think it's all that important an issue - what we call it. But I've come to accept the position of gays - it's reserving a higher or special status for marriage between 'traditional' couples and denying it for SS couples. Or, more bluntly, maintaining same sex unions as second class. But, again, not a big deal. The big step, the 90% solution, is about rights. The vocal activists might spend a lot of time on that last 10%, but I can tell you my brother doesn't care, and his position, per him, isn't unusual at all. They'll refer to them as marriages, so will their friends and family, and if others call it something else - eh, whatever. His view in a nutshell.

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    Re: Judge strikes down Wisconsin gay marriage ban[W:287]

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    so using your own failed rational what about religions that already allow ssm? do you then support "overreaching into a religious practice" since its a marriage you deem not equal?
    what about religions different from yours?

    what about marriages that already dont involve religion? are you claim that only religious marriages should also be legal? no more marriages by judges or magistrates or anybody with a license?
    Good points, and important ones! I've been to a same sex marriage in a church that recognizes them, and long before the states did.

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    Re: Judge strikes down Wisconsin gay marriage ban[W:287]

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    He supports gay marriage.
    that's moral

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    Re: Judge strikes down Wisconsin gay marriage ban[W:287]

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    There is nothing loving in confirming people in causing their own damnation.
    theirs nothing loving about damming people for being together with someone of the same gender its immoral

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    Re: Judge strikes down Wisconsin gay marriage ban[W:287]

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    Your point?
    its nor moral for a judge to uphold laws based on religious principles alone

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    Re: Judge strikes down Wisconsin gay marriage ban[W:287]

    Quote Originally Posted by blarg View Post
    theirs nothing loving about damming people for being together with someone of the same gender its immoral
    I think that reformation will take awhile.

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    Re: Judge strikes down Wisconsin gay marriage ban[W:287]

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    I think that reformation will take awhile.
    for some and that's a shame

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    Re: Judge strikes down Wisconsin gay marriage ban[W:287]

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    I lived in Mid-town Atlanta, the French Quarter, had a homosexual roommate in the Army before don't ask, don't tell and had various and sundry homosexuals trotted into the barracks by him most weekend nights. I've known quite a few homosexuals, so another swing and a miss by the good captain.
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    Re: Judge strikes down Wisconsin gay marriage ban[W:287]

    Quote Originally Posted by MasterLiberty View Post
    Then shouldn't the focus be on suing the fed for not recognizing civil unions or domestic partnerships?? If that were the plaform the LGBT movement was trying to push then I'm sure that the middle-right wing of the GOP would have less to object to and the religious right wouldn't really have anything to yell about. The solution is to sue the FED for Civil Union and Domestic Partnership recognition.... NOT suing states for marraige status.
    Did that already when "DOMA" was conquered. This is more fun now, pissing off the redneck southern states one by one. The bigots in GOP and the church object? Good! They are lucky they aren't being sued individually, as they deserve.

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    Re: Judge strikes down Wisconsin gay marriage ban[W:287]

    Quote Originally Posted by MasterLiberty View Post
    How am I opposed to equal rights if I support equal treatment and only differ on the namesake of the situation???
    Because you care more about a word than equality, since what you propose is impossible, given how many laws would have to be changed. For instance, the sack of **** governor in my state is denying state benefits to DPs. He can do that because the state law requires "marriage". So every single state's law would have to be changed just for equal treatment in that one aspect. Our governments are way too worthless for that to happen.

    The reality is separate but unequal, in that there's no attempt to even pretend equality by those states or their republican politicians. They have to be dragged kicking and screaming into the 1960s.

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