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    re: Judge strikes down Wisconsin gay marriage ban[W:287]

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    How about you prove he was actually dead when they took him down? Doctors still make that mistake today.

    Besides, didnt thousands see Jesus after he was resurrected? As he spread God's Word? Why do we need 11 witnesses?

    Apparently he wasnt actually killed during the crucifixion. Not surprising, there are no mortal injuries inflicted during a crucifixion (that type).

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    re: Judge strikes down Wisconsin gay marriage ban[W:287]

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    No, domestic partnerships do not have the same rights as marriages at all. Nothing but marriage is recognized legally by the federal government. Only marriage grants the legal kinship of "spouse", and every single right, privilege, benefit, and even responsibility that goes with that particular kinship recognition.
    Then shouldn't the focus be on suing the fed for not recognizing civil unions or domestic partnerships?? If that were the plaform the LGBT movement was trying to push then I'm sure that the middle-right wing of the GOP would have less to object to and the religious right wouldn't really have anything to yell about. The solution is to sue the FED for Civil Union and Domestic Partnership recognition.... NOT suing states for marraige status.

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    re: Judge strikes down Wisconsin gay marriage ban[W:287]

    Quote Originally Posted by MasterLiberty View Post
    1.)My question is... why is this even being taken by the courts as Wisconsin already permits domestic partnerships. Correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't a domestic partnership have the same legal status and rights as a married couple?? If so... than isn't this lawsuit frivilous to begin with and therefore should be thrown out?

    2.)I support Domestic Partnerships and Civil Unions, but am opposed to gay 'marraige' for namesake purposes only.
    3.) Marraige is solely exclusive to heterosexual couples and has been for thousands of years of human history.
    4.) If gays have the same rights and are simply referred to differently in regards to their union status I see no reason for this lawsuit to be relevant.
    1.) yes you would be factually wrong. No civil unions/domestic partnerships are equal to legal marriage.
    2.) then you are opposed to equal rights
    3.) also factually false and meanignless to equal rights
    4.) well as already pointed out this is not the case and its impossible.
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    re: Judge strikes down Wisconsin gay marriage ban[W:287]

    Quote Originally Posted by MasterLiberty View Post
    Then shouldn't the focus be on suing the fed for not recognizing civil unions or domestic partnerships?? If that were the plaform the LGBT movement was trying to push then I'm sure that the middle-right wing of the GOP would have less to object to and the religious right wouldn't really have anything to yell about. The solution is to sue the FED for Civil Union and Domestic Partnership recognition.... NOT suing states for marraige status.
    No. Why should we set up more relationships just to appease some people's sensibilities? What a stupid waste of time and money. You don't own the word marriage. Religions do not own the term marriage. No one owns the term marriage so it easily can include same sex couples, the same way that it currently does.

    I could care less about whether or not some people are going to be upset over same sex couples using the term marriage. They can get over it or grumble about it for the rest of their lives. That is their business.

    Not to mention, that in many states the same laws that are being challenged for same sex marriages to be legal would have to be challenged for any same sex unions to be legal, so it is pointless to just go after the other, lesser unions when we can easily get same sex marriage legalized with a single SCOTUS ruling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    2.) then you are opposed to equal rights
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    How am I opposed to equal rights if I support equal treatment and only differ on the namesake of the situation???

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    re: Judge strikes down Wisconsin gay marriage ban[W:287]

    Quote Originally Posted by MasterLiberty View Post
    How am I opposed to equal rights if I support equal treatment and only differ on the namesake of the situation???
    easy because what you support is factually impossible.
    similar to seperate but equal for minorities. It was removed because it in fact was not equal.

    same thing with what you want, its not equal. You think it is and call it equal but like those that did the same with minority rights its simply not.

    can you tell me how it would be equal?
    then im sure i can give you an example of how its factually not
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    re: Judge strikes down Wisconsin gay marriage ban[W:287]

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    Re: Judge strikes down Wisconsin gay marriage ban[W:287]

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    easy because what you support is factually impossible.
    similar to seperate but equal for minorities. It was removed because it in fact was not equal.

    same thing with what you want, its not equal. You think it is and call it equal but like those that did the same with minority rights its simply not.
    That counter arguement is inherently flawed. Comparing this to 'seperate but equal' is what I like to call a "desperation save" arguement. In the case of seperate, but equal african americans were put in incredibly inferior schools, with inferior professors, and facilities and thus were denied equal treatment. With what I am proposing the treatment and legal status are the same the only difference is the name. Would same sex partnerships recieve the same tax status as married couples? Yes. Would they be able to adopt? Yes. Would they have all the rights allowed to a hetero married couple? Yes. Your 'seperate but equal' arguement is a desperate grasp at straws if I have ever seen one.

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    Re: Judge strikes down Wisconsin gay marriage ban[W:287]

    Quote Originally Posted by MasterLiberty View Post
    How am I opposed to equal rights if I support equal treatment and only differ on the namesake of the situation???
    Separate but equal is inherently unequal.

    Quote Originally Posted by MasterLiberty View Post
    That counter arguement is inherently flawed. Comparing this to 'seperate but equal' is what I like to call a "desperation save" arguement. In the case of seperate, but equal african americans were put in incredibly inferior schools, with inferior professors, and facilities and thus were denied equal treatment. With what I am proposing the treatment and legal status are the same the only difference is the name. Would same sex partnerships recieve the same tax status as married couples? Yes. Would they be able to adopt? Yes. Would they have all the rights allowed to a hetero married couple? Yes. Your 'seperate but equal' arguement is a desperate grasp at straws if I have ever seen one.
    Civil unions are incredibly inferior to marriages.

    How about heterosexual couples have their marriages annulled, and then they can get civil unions while homosexual couples can get marriages?
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    Re: Judge strikes down Wisconsin gay marriage ban[W:287]

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Civil unions are incredibly inferior to marriages.
    Given the changes that I proposed care to explain how they would be inferior?? If they are given all the same legal rights?? Prove to me that the statement I made was wrong without simply stating otherwise, thank you.

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