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    re: Judge strikes down Wisconsin gay marriage ban[W:287]

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    I don't see that as a reason to identify oneself primarily by ones sexual behavior. It reduces those who do that to nothing BUT that.
    Telling someone "I'm gay" is not identifying primarily as homosexual. It is simply informing someone you are gay so that they aren't taken offguard by it, particularly important for some people.
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    re: Judge strikes down Wisconsin gay marriage ban[W:287]

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    Somehow the homosexual community went from being people that were proud of engaging in "an alternative lifestlye" to wanting homosexuality to be considered in every way the same as heterosexuality. The problem I see coming is that once homosexual marriages are legal in all 50 states, the drama will be over and what, then, will the drama queens who sooooo love to be the center of attention have for their next crusade? What will make the "gay and proud of it" people "special" once they get the "normality" they pretend they're seeking?
    There are always drama queens, homosexual, heterosexual, bisexual, asexual, and everything else. That isn't going to end. The majority of homosexuals though are not drama queens.

    There has been a very obvious shift even in "gay pride parades" over the last decade. They have gone from very loud and adult parades to more family oriented parades that are more of a celebration of diversity than being homosexual. Sure the main focus is still sexuality, but that is mainly because they are not treated as equals yet even. That will likely shift though come the near future.
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    re: Judge strikes down Wisconsin gay marriage ban[W:287]

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    We have laws against assault and battery.
    There are places that have rules against (or at least had them) same sex couples being allowed to attend things like PTA meetings. In some areas they can get kicked out of an establishment for simply doing many of the same things opposite sex couples do, such as holding hands or pecks on the cheek/lips.
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    re: Judge strikes down Wisconsin gay marriage ban[W:287]

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    Somehow the homosexual community went from being people that were proud of engaging in "an alternative lifestlye" to wanting homosexuality to be considered in every way the same as heterosexuality. The problem I see coming is that once homosexual marriages are legal in all 50 states, the drama will be over and what, then, will the drama queens who sooooo love to be the center of attention have for their next crusade? What will make the "gay and proud of it" people "special" once they get the "normality" they pretend they're seeking?
    How is their lifestyle different? Besides a particular sex act that straight couples engage in as well? How is their lifestyle different???? THey go to work, raise kids, go to PTA, soccer practice, dance lessons, vacations, take out the garbage, eat dinner, mow the lawn, go to church.....how different?

    Is your 'lifestyle' determined by the sex you have?

    Their relationships ARE the same....please describe how they're different?

    Blacks had 'black power' and 'black is beautiful'...they had to be to overcome the disrespect of centuries of treatment. Gays are overcoming centuries or longer of having to hide. If they werent standing up for themselves, they would still be hiding 'in closets.'
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    re: Judge strikes down Wisconsin gay marriage ban[W:287]

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    We have laws against assault and battery.
    Tell that to Matthew Shepard. Tell it to any gay person who lost their job because they were seen holding hands in the park.

    The harm is great, physical and socially. And professionally.

    It's sad you you just dismiss their right to expect the same personal freedoms and enjoyments that straight couples do.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    re: Judge strikes down Wisconsin gay marriage ban[W:287]

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    I see. So why don't people engaged in other behaviors that are outlawed self-identify primarily by their illegal behavior? I've never yet seen a "tax cheat pride parade" and be SO damned proud they try to claim their behavior on the same level as "race".
    Are they being denied any rights? Are they striving to become mainstream and part of society?

    And homosexual behavior is: loving, hugging, kissing, going on dates, dancing, going to movies, taking care of each other when sick, raising families, etc etc etc etc. Which of those things is illegal? Do you really think they are celebrating a sex act?

    Hey, why dont adulterers have their own parades as well? That was/is just as illegal as sodomy.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    re: Judge strikes down Wisconsin gay marriage ban[W:287]

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    So what does that have to do with the fact that homosexuals identify themselves principally by their sexual behavior? I was just noting that they're the only group of people that identify themselves first and foremost by their sexual behavior and secondly as anything else. It's not like they're just normal, ordinary people just like everyone else that merely enjoys same sex intimacy. No, they're first and foremost, people who have sex with people of the same sex. Everything else that "is them" is an afterthought.
    No, that's your perception of them.
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    re: Judge strikes down Wisconsin gay marriage ban[W:287]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    That is true, but which would you personally rather be dealing with, a Constitutional Amendment (which would still be in place, and likely for a while, possibly making it much harder for states to even individually recognize same sex marriage, depending on how it was written) or a now struck down DOMA?

    Unfortunately sometimes we do have to do things that are wrong to avoid bigger problems due to human nature and the beliefs of others.
    Definitely, but let's not give credit for accidentally 'doing the right thing' long-term either. I don't think a politician like clinton gave a rat's ass. He signed it cause it was the least risky option politically. I doubt very much he was looking forward to the SCOTUS striking down as unconstitutional his own law, near 20 years later. Same with DADT, a 'compromise' that anyone who understood what it's like to hide one's sexuality in the military would realize was not doing any favors.

    In the end it took entirely separate battles to repeal both of those

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    re: Judge strikes down Wisconsin gay marriage ban[W:287]

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    So what does that have to do with the fact that homosexuals identify themselves principally by their sexual behavior? I was just noting that they're the only group of people that identify themselves first and foremost by their sexual behavior and secondly as anything else. It's not like they're just normal, ordinary people just like everyone else that merely enjoys same sex intimacy. No, they're first and foremost, people who have sex with people of the same sex. Everything else that "is them" is an afterthought.
    That's just absurd. Either you know no homosexuals, or you need to change the people you spend time with. Oh, and don't assume that the people who are on TV are your average everyday people. There are some pretty bizarre heterosexuals out there who wouldn't be considered a run-of-the-mill straight.
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    re: Judge strikes down Wisconsin gay marriage ban[W:287]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    No. Amendments can never be unconstitutional. The 14th Amendment would simply not apply to same sex marriages. It would apply in every other case. It would basically be an exception. This is why after the state marriage bans were placed into the state constitutions, any challenges had to go to federal court and be claimed as a violation of the US Constitution, which takes precedent over any state constitutions.
    Gets harder to respect a process that would result in 'exceptions' to due process/equal protection. Then again that's why i'm against ballot initiatives now, cause that's what happened in most states.

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