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Should Target take action to keep rifles out of their stores?[W:37]

Mr.Nick said:
Quit interchanging law with your opinions...

IF you can refuse to serve a man embracing his Second Amendment rights then you sure in the hell can refuse to serve a homosexual - who have ZERO rights beyond what the Bill of Rights grants them.
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I didn't interchange anything.

No, a store can make a rule refusing to allow people to open carry in their store. A store cannot make a rule refusing to serve homosexuals. Hell, how would you even know if a person is homosexual in a store unless they're exhibiting PDAs in front of you? I don't know if people I see in stores are straight or gay, unless there's obvious PDAs going on, which 99% of the time there's not. How about a rule banning PDAs?
 
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Mr.Nick said:
You want it to be store policy because you hate the Second Amendment and I would oppose such a store policy for tyrannical ideas.
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I don't want it to be store policy. I said a store can set that policy if they want to, and we can decide to shop there if we want to.

I don't hate the second amendment at all. I own many guns, and I open carry all the time. Where did you get the idea that I hate the second amendment?
 
The Man said:
My bad, it varies state by state, but in most states convicted felons can never own guns or vote again, so people do lose their constitutional rights.
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They only do when they commit super horrible violent crimes and are basically on parole for the rest of their lives.
 
Mr.Nick said:
They only do when they commit super horrible violent crimes and are basically on parole for the rest of their lives.
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Not true. Convicted felons, any convicted felons, lose their right to vote and own guns permanently in most states.
 
The Man said:
I don't want it to be store policy. I said a store can set that policy if they want to, and we can decide to shop there if we want to.

I don't hate the second amendment at all. I own many guns, and I open carry all the time. Where did you get the idea that I hate the second amendment?
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I find it ironic that you claim to open/carry yet find it offensive shopping at a store that has no problem with open carry.

You're absolutely right - you as a citizen using your freedom can shop where you see fit.... I don't have a problem with that - it's freedom - it's the American way. But forcing businesses to adhere to your politics is wrong.
 
Mr.Nick said:
I find it ironic that you claim to open/carry yet find it offensive shopping at a store that has no problem with open carry.

You're absolutely right - you as a citizen using your freedom can shop where you see fit.... I don't have a problem with that - it's freedom - it's the American way. But forcing businesses to adhere to your politics is wrong.
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I don't find it offensive shopping at a store that allows open carry, I do it all the time. Where did I say that? You obviously either just make things up, aren't very bright, or don't have very good reading comprehension.

Who in this thread suggested forcing businesses to adhere to any policy? Again, you obviously just make things up, aren't very bright, or don't have very good reading comprehension. Or all three.
 
The Man said:
Not true. Convicted felons, any convicted felons, lose their right to vote and own guns permanently in most states.
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That's not true at all - it all depends on the felony.... And most states have a federal waiting period before their felony wiped.

Felonies are ridiculous anyways.... A murderer is a felon and a person that destructs a couple grand of property is a felon as well..... That's why there are variations in what constitutes a life long ban on owning a gun or voting..... There is a major difference here between murder and breaking someones TV.

Most states acknowledge this and realize that a persons life shouldn't be ruined if they break a TV or kill someone.
 
Mr.Nick said:
That's not true at all - it all depends on the felony.... And most states have a federal waiting period before their felony wiped.

Felonies are ridiculous anyways.... A murderer is a felon and a person that destructs a couple grand of property is a felon as well..... That's why there are variations in what constitutes a life long ban on owning a gun or voting..... There is a major difference here between murder and breaking someones TV.

Most states acknowledge this and realize that a persons life shouldn't be ruined if they break a TV or kill someone.
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http://felonyrestrictions.com/Owning-a-Gun.php
 
The Man said:
I don't find it offensive shopping at a store that allows open carry, I do it all the time. Where did I say that? You obviously either just make things up, aren't very bright, or don't have very good reading comprehension.

Who in this thread suggested forcing businesses to adhere to any policy? Again, you obviously just make things up, aren't very bright, or don't have very good reading comprehension. Or all three.
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Right, shall we go back and examine your previous posts on the subject?

You clearly implied that banning open arms should be banned from Target - not at their choice but by implication of law.
 
Mr.Nick said:
Right, shall we go back and examine your previous posts on the subject?

You clearly implied that banning open arms should be banned from Target - not at their choice but by implication of law.
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Yes you should go back and examine my previous posts, but first, learn how to read before you do. Please point out where I said what you say I said.

I didn't 'imply' anything. I meant exactly what I wrote, no implying anything.
 
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Mr.Nick said:
People have the right to keep bear arms - that is in the Second Amendment. Now gay sex in the frozen food aisle is NOT a civil liberty (no matter how many progressives would love it to be).

I have absolutely no problem with concealed or open carry.

IMO, gun owners are more sane, knowledgeable and intelligent than your typical US citizen or illegal squatter.

I've never understood this whole "guns are bad" or "guns are scary" hysteria - and that's all it is - hysteria.

Besides, those who open carry do so not because they feel threatened but do so to make a political statement, and you better believe those guns are safely secured and are no danger to anyone.
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Worry not! The right to wear your short sleeve shirts in Target stores is not being infringed.

As far as guns in the store, people are using Target as a protest zone. Target, as a private business, does not have to host a debate and should be free to bar the debate (including guns) if it so chooses. This is actually more of a 1st amendment issue than a second.

Should Target take action to keep rifles out of their stores? | Today's Question | Minnesota Public Radio News

The world would be a better place if gun zealots, gay zealots and pro-life and pro-choice people would just take a chill pill.
 
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upsideguy said:
Worry not! The right to wear your short sleeve shirts in Target stores is not being infringed.

As far as guns in the store, people are using Target as a protest zone. Target, as a private business, does not have to host a debate and should be free to bar the debate (including guns) if it so chooses. This is actually more of a 1st amendment issue than a second.

Should Target take action to keep rifles out of their stores? | Today's Question | Minnesota Public Radio News

The world would be a better place if gun zealots, gay zealots and pro-life and pro-choice people would just take a chill pill.
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Don't forget the anti-gun zealots.
 
Thrilla said:
I don't disagree....but i think we might disagree on how to educate.

as with most things, familiarity has the habit of assuaging fears.


not a direct comparison or anything, but i kinda see it similar to early civil rights battles... segregation didn't work to alleviate any fears or misconceptions of blacks or whites... tossing them all together , while a bit painful at first, has been a net benefit in terms of education and such.
when my school was desegregated, i had a leg up.. a lived in a predominately black neighborhood... I was familiar with them, and them with I.. me.. whatever.
many had irrational fears .. fears that subsided over time...well, for most of my peers anyways, there were still some around that were scared that dem darkies was coming to take da white wimminz or some such nonsense.
anyways, that was just a quick observation on the issue of education and how i see it... familiarity must be a part of the equation or it will be doomed to failure.
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Actually I do agree. Familiarity is an important part of equation. Best thing you can do is teach a soccer mom to shoot.
 
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Mr.Nick said:
People have the right to keep and bear arms - that is in the Second Amendment. Now gay sex in the frozen food aisle is NOT a civil liberty (no matter how many progressives would love it to be).
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Jerry said:
If you would like to talk about OC vs CC, however, you can begin be providing a working link the comparative crime statistics or other credible source which lead you to your conclusions.
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Damn son I gotta do all that? I'm hungover, don't give me homework.

Jerry said:
For example, in any of the recent mass shootings, how many of the victims were OC'ing? The faculty at Sandy Hook? Any of the patrons in Aurora? Anyone OC'ing at that mall in Oregon? The only one I can think of was a guard at Fort Hood, but he was targeted because he was a guard much like police are targeted simply because they're police, not for their OC'd gun.

I look forward to reading your links.
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Are logical implications not enough? I was directly quoting Massad Ayoob with the "If the police come looking for a man with a gun, its best to not be one." who I have great respect for.
 
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Mr.Nick said:
And the Right to Keep and Bear Arms is a civil right.

Meanwhile we have poor bakeries that refuse to bake a cake for homosexuals and they're massively under fire - and making someone bake a cake is NOT a civil liberty. If anything it's a basic lack of tolerance for those with religious views that prevent them from partaking in such a "wedding" or ceremony.

Carrying a gun is a civil liberty.

Refusing to back a cake for homosexuals violates ZERO civil liberties.
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and ignorance on how law works is an epidemic among the Pro Open carry crowd.
 
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Mr.Nick said:
It doesn't matter - forcing Christians to back a cake (which violates their First Amendment religious rights) is the fundamental problem with that issue.

You may as well claim you have the RIGHT to force Muslims to serve you pork...
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Those aren't even close to the same thing....someone called you smart in an earlier post....can you find a way to use whatever they saw to conclude that to think through this?
 
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Sababa said:
and ignorance on how law works is an epidemic among the Pro Open carry crowd.
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I'm not pro-open carry, but how so? What laws have they violated?

Seems to me the people who freak out at the sight of open carry, or call the police are the ones utterly ignorant of the law.
 
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The open carry folks will do a 180 when a bunch of brown people wearing turbans start open-carrying AR-15s at Walmart.
 
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Lachean said:
I'm not pro-open carry, but how so? What laws have they violated?
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none, my point is that the 2nd amendment is not a blanket thing that allows you to do whatever you want with your guns. If a business wants to restrict guns in their establishment the 2nd amendment doesn't apply because the 2nd restricts the government not private entities. So anyone saying their rights are being violated doesn't understand that.

Now as for serving gays. There are laws that restrict discrimination in businesses open to the public. This is why in some places bakers must serve gay people by law. It is like the fact that you can't discriminate against blacks, Jews, etc. They are two separate things.

In fact a business can go private, have membership and restrict who they want by simply not accepting members who are gay, black, Jewish etc. Chances are they won't last long as they hoped unless they are in an insular community.
 
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Sababa said:
none, my point is that the 2nd amendment is not a blanket thing that allows you to do whatever you want with your guns.
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Who has claimed this? Who is under this impression? Who do you think you're making a point to?

Sounds like a man of straw to me.
 
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Lachean said:
Who has claimed this? Who is under this impression? Who do you think you're making a point to?

Sounds like a man of straw to me.
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read the thread.
 
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Deuce said:
The open carry folks will do a 180 when a bunch of brown people wearing turbans start open-carrying AR-15s at Walmart.
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lol no we won't
 
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Sababa said:
read the thread.
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I have, I see no one making the claim that the 2nd Amendment "allows you to do whatever you want with your guns."

Care to quote ANYONE saying something like that?
 
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Lachean said:
I have, I see no one making the claim that the 2nd Amendment "allows you to do whatever you want with your guns."

Care to quote ANYONE saying something like that?
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i am sorry you don't understand the idiomatic way I used a common phrase. People on this thread have argued that no one can restrict where they bring their guns when it comes to the business that are open to the public. I don't know why you have to be so nitpicky except maybe you are trying to derail the fact that the pro-gun crowd are so ignorant of how the world works here. But that is okay, I understand people who feel the need to do that.
 
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