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    Re: Should Target take action to keep rifles out of their stores?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    People have the right to keep bear arms - that is in the Second Amendment. Now gay sex in the frozen food aisle is NOT a civil liberty (no matter how many progressives would love it to be).

    I have absolutely no problem with concealed or open carry.

    IMO, gun owners are more sane, knowledgeable and intelligent than your typical US citizen or illegal squatter.

    I've never understood this whole "guns are bad" or "guns are scary" hysteria - and that's all it is - hysteria.

    Besides, those who open carry do so not because they feel threatened but do so to make a political statement, and you better believe those guns are safely secured and are no danger to anyone.
    Worry not! The right to wear your short sleeve shirts in Target stores is not being infringed.

    As far as guns in the store, people are using Target as a protest zone. Target, as a private business, does not have to host a debate and should be free to bar the debate (including guns) if it so chooses. This is actually more of a 1st amendment issue than a second.

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    The world would be a better place if gun zealots, gay zealots and pro-life and pro-choice people would just take a chill pill.
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    Re: Should Target take action to keep rifles out of their stores?

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Worry not! The right to wear your short sleeve shirts in Target stores is not being infringed.

    As far as guns in the store, people are using Target as a protest zone. Target, as a private business, does not have to host a debate and should be free to bar the debate (including guns) if it so chooses. This is actually more of a 1st amendment issue than a second.

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    The world would be a better place if gun zealots, gay zealots and pro-life and pro-choice people would just take a chill pill.
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    Re: Should Target take action to keep rifles out of their stores?[W:37]

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    I don't disagree....but i think we might disagree on how to educate.

    as with most things, familiarity has the habit of assuaging fears.


    not a direct comparison or anything, but i kinda see it similar to early civil rights battles... segregation didn't work to alleviate any fears or misconceptions of blacks or whites... tossing them all together , while a bit painful at first, has been a net benefit in terms of education and such.
    when my school was desegregated, i had a leg up.. a lived in a predominately black neighborhood... I was familiar with them, and them with I.. me.. whatever.
    many had irrational fears .. fears that subsided over time...well, for most of my peers anyways, there were still some around that were scared that dem darkies was coming to take da white wimminz or some such nonsense.
    anyways, that was just a quick observation on the issue of education and how i see it... familiarity must be a part of the equation or it will be doomed to failure.
    Actually I do agree. Familiarity is an important part of equation. Best thing you can do is teach a soccer mom to shoot.
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    Re: Should Target take action to keep rifles out of their stores?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    People have the right to keep and bear arms - that is in the Second Amendment. Now gay sex in the frozen food aisle is NOT a civil liberty (no matter how many progressives would love it to be).




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    Re: Should Target take action to keep rifles out of their stores?[W:37]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    If you would like to talk about OC vs CC, however, you can begin be providing a working link the comparative crime statistics or other credible source which lead you to your conclusions.
    Damn son I gotta do all that? I'm hungover, don't give me homework.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    For example, in any of the recent mass shootings, how many of the victims were OC'ing? The faculty at Sandy Hook? Any of the patrons in Aurora? Anyone OC'ing at that mall in Oregon? The only one I can think of was a guard at Fort Hood, but he was targeted because he was a guard much like police are targeted simply because they're police, not for their OC'd gun.

    I look forward to reading your links.
    Are logical implications not enough? I was directly quoting Massad Ayoob with the "If the police come looking for a man with a gun, its best to not be one." who I have great respect for.
    Haymarket's "support" of the 2nd Amendment, a right he believes we never had.
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    no. You cannot lose rights you do not have in the first place. There is no such thing as the right to have any weapon of your choice regardless of any other consideration. It simply does not exist.

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    Re: Should Target take action to keep rifles out of their stores?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    And the Right to Keep and Bear Arms is a civil right.

    Meanwhile we have poor bakeries that refuse to bake a cake for homosexuals and they're massively under fire - and making someone bake a cake is NOT a civil liberty. If anything it's a basic lack of tolerance for those with religious views that prevent them from partaking in such a "wedding" or ceremony.

    Carrying a gun is a civil liberty.

    Refusing to back a cake for homosexuals violates ZERO civil liberties.
    and ignorance on how law works is an epidemic among the Pro Open carry crowd.

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    Re: Should Target take action to keep rifles out of their stores?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    It doesn't matter - forcing Christians to back a cake (which violates their First Amendment religious rights) is the fundamental problem with that issue.

    You may as well claim you have the RIGHT to force Muslims to serve you pork...
    Those aren't even close to the same thing....someone called you smart in an earlier post....can you find a way to use whatever they saw to conclude that to think through this?

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    Re: Should Target take action to keep rifles out of their stores?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sababa View Post
    and ignorance on how law works is an epidemic among the Pro Open carry crowd.
    I'm not pro-open carry, but how so? What laws have they violated?

    Seems to me the people who freak out at the sight of open carry, or call the police are the ones utterly ignorant of the law.
    Haymarket's "support" of the 2nd Amendment, a right he believes we never had.
    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    no. You cannot lose rights you do not have in the first place. There is no such thing as the right to have any weapon of your choice regardless of any other consideration. It simply does not exist.

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    Re: Should Target take action to keep rifles out of their stores?

    The open carry folks will do a 180 when a bunch of brown people wearing turbans start open-carrying AR-15s at Walmart.
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    Re: Should Target take action to keep rifles out of their stores?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post
    I'm not pro-open carry, but how so? What laws have they violated?
    none, my point is that the 2nd amendment is not a blanket thing that allows you to do whatever you want with your guns. If a business wants to restrict guns in their establishment the 2nd amendment doesn't apply because the 2nd restricts the government not private entities. So anyone saying their rights are being violated doesn't understand that.

    Now as for serving gays. There are laws that restrict discrimination in businesses open to the public. This is why in some places bakers must serve gay people by law. It is like the fact that you can't discriminate against blacks, Jews, etc. They are two separate things.

    In fact a business can go private, have membership and restrict who they want by simply not accepting members who are gay, black, Jewish etc. Chances are they won't last long as they hoped unless they are in an insular community.

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