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Thread: Should Target take action to keep rifles out of their stores?[W:37]

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    Re: Should Target take action to keep rifles out of their stores?[W:37]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Rude, yes, like telling someone to completely disarm in a publicly accesable buiswness.
    nothing rude about that, public businesses make all kinds of rules. I fear your detachment from reality and your clear threats make you a problem to society.

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    Re: Should Target take action to keep rifles out of their stores?[W:37]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Rude, yes, like telling someone to completely disarm in a publicly accesable buiswness.
    Jerry, I hope you know me well enough to admit that I am as Pro-2nd Amendment and pro-gun as they come.

    But still, I consider open carry to be idiotic:
    1. If you open carry, you are the first target for a mass shooter. Especially when everyone else who has seen you open carrying look to you to "Do Something!"
    2. If the police come looking for a man with a gun, its best to not be one.

    Despite one's right to open carry, I think concealed carry is far superior. Open carry rallies tend to turn public opinion against gun rights, because most people find the open carry of a gun, especially a long gun, as threatening. No matter how wrong they are, the act disincentivises the support of our cause.
    Haymarket's "support" of the 2nd Amendment, a right he believes we never had.
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    no. You cannot lose rights you do not have in the first place. There is no such thing as the right to have any weapon of your choice regardless of any other consideration. It simply does not exist.

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    Re: Should Target take action to keep rifles out of their stores?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    Target is a private sector company, they should be allowed to ban whatever they want from their stores as long as the bans do not violate civil rights. And people can choose whether or not to shop there.
    And the Right to Keep and Bear Arms is a civil right.

    Meanwhile we have poor bakeries that refuse to bake a cake for homosexuals and they're massively under fire - and making someone bake a cake is NOT a civil liberty. If anything it's a basic lack of tolerance for those with religious views that prevent them from partaking in such a "wedding" or ceremony.

    Carrying a gun is a civil liberty.

    Refusing to back a cake for homosexuals violates ZERO civil liberties.

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    Re: Should Target take action to keep rifles out of their stores?[W:37]

    Quote Originally Posted by Sababa View Post
    nothing rude about that, public businesses make all kinds of rules. I fear your detachment from reality and your clear threats make you a problem to society.
    They can make as many "rules" as they like, however those "rules" cannot circumvent the Bill of Rights.

    It just seems progressives enjoy the Bill of Rights being spit and **** on given any reason - and ironically now progressives are using "business freedom" as an excuse for this level of tyranny.

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    Re: Should Target take action to keep rifles out of their stores?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    And the Right to Keep and Bear Arms is a civil right.
    No it isn't. It's a constitutional right. If a private sector business wants to ban guns from their properties, that's their prerogative. It's no different than a store with a 'no shirt, no shoes, no service' rule.

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    Should Target take action to keep rifles out of their stores?[W:37]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Refusing to back a cake for homosexuals violates ZERO civil liberties.
    Yes it does. If you are in a business of baking cakes for humans, then you have to be willing to bake cakes for all humans if they choose to buy one from you, unless they violate the rules set by the business for shopping in your store, of which the rules may not violate civil rights.

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    Re: Should Target take action to keep rifles out of their stores?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    No it isn't. It's a constitutional right. If a private sector business wants to ban guns from their properties, that's their prerogative. It's no different than a store with a 'no shirt, no shoes, no service' rule.
    You can call it a constitutional right or a civil right - it doesn't matter considering BOTH are the same.

    BTW it is a CIVIL RIGHT considering it is the Second Amendment of the Bill of Rights - hence a CIVIL RIGHT/LIBERTY.

    If you want to get into specifics constitutional rights are different than Civil liberties. But I'm in no mood to be giving civics/ US history lectures - especially on ideas that are generally thought of as common knowledge.

    This may help you a bit, but I highly doubt it will change your mind: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timelin...s_Constitution
    Last edited by Mr.Nick; 06-06-14 at 07:10 PM.

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    Re: Should Target take action to keep rifles out of their stores?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    And the Right to Keep and Bear Arms is a civil right.

    Meanwhile we have poor bakeries that refuse to bake a cake for homosexuals and they're massively under fire - and making someone bake a cake is NOT a civil liberty. If anything it's a basic lack of tolerance for those with religious views that prevent them from partaking in such a "wedding" or ceremony.

    Carrying a gun is a civil liberty.

    Refusing to back a cake for homosexuals violates ZERO civil liberties.

    And we're back to "No gays = OK," "No guns = not OK." Both private businesses, but you are picking and choosing what you like and what you don't.

    It's a logical nonsequitur.


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    This issue has been plowed more times than Paris Hilton.
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    Too bad we have to observe human rights.

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    Should Target take action to keep rifles out of their stores?[W:37]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    You can call it a constitutional right or a civil right - it doesn't matter considering BOTH are the same.

    BTW it is a CIVIL RIGHT considering it is the Second Amendment of the Bill of Rights - hence a CIVIL RIGHT/LIBERTY.

    If you want to get into specifics constitutional rights are different than Civil liberties. But I'm in no mood to be giving civics/ US history lectures - especially on ideas that are generally thought of as common knowledge.
    Constitutional rights and civil rights are not one and the same. You know that. I know you're smarter than that. Civil rights cannot be taken away, constitutional rights can.

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    Re: Should Target take action to keep rifles out of their stores?

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    And we're back to "No gays = OK," "No guns = not OK." Both private businesses, but you are picking and choosing what you like and what you don't.

    It's a logical nonsequitur.
    It doesn't matter - forcing Christians to back a cake (which violates their First Amendment religious rights) is the fundamental problem with that issue.

    You may as well claim you have the RIGHT to force Muslims to serve you pork...

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