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    Re: Should Target take action to keep rifles out of their stores?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    I'd love to see nothing more than to see cops get severely hurt - because they would love nothing more than to kill them some "bad guys."
    This is pretty disturbing.

    Certainly not a perspective that does gun ownership any good.
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    Re: Should Target take action to keep rifles out of their stores?[W:37]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    Just because you can legally do something diesnt mean you should.

    A bunch of guys walking into Target with rifles may be legal and Target may allow it, but scaring the crap out if a bunch of soccer moms is stupid beyond words. Those idiots simply confirmed every negative stereotype that the general public may have about gun owners. Morons.
    Shopping with a rifle over your shoulder isnt very comfortable...if they make their point...which I dont particularly agree with....then I'm sure it would be a very rare sight. If someone is going to carry a firearm, they generally carry handguns.
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    Re: Should Target take action to keep rifles out of their stores?

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    He fears guns in the hands of others.
    I'm terrified of cars in the hands of others...with much more evidence of actual harm.
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    Re: Should Target take action to keep rifles out of their stores?

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    i personally don't care if a businesses allows guns or not. if i had a business i would not allow open carry in my store. if you have a conceal license and a gun and i can't tell then there is little i can do about.

    however a guy walking into my store with and open carry no. why? it is bad for business and makes other people uncomfortable and i don't know that person from jack and jill.
    I think it would depend on the culture of the community as to what I would allow in my place of business. In a ultra-liberal, politically correct kind of environment, I probably would not want visible guns in my place of business because so many of my customers would be uncomfortable or offended. But in Catron County, NM, somebody could carry a shotgun or hunting rifle or any other weapon into a restaurant or any other place of business, and few people would even notice. Here in Albuquerque, open carry is legal pretty much everywhere except for the usual: schools, bars, court houses and such. But it is rarely done and if I do see somebody with a revolver on his hip, I assume he is in law enforcement or security or some such and really don't think much else about it.

    I can't imagine prohibiting CCW in any business I would run or manage. How would I know anyway?
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    Re: Should Target take action to keep rifles out of their stores?

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    True, there is a trivial chance of a mad gunman going off inside a department store, so you should prepare. And you should be always prepared a fire (a bottle of oxygen to survive the smoke would be helpful), and maybe wear a helmet in case a tile falls from above, and perhaps a first aid kit with one of the new heart deals that will restart yours should you have a heart attack. I'm sure you're wearing bullet proof vest, to survive the shootout or an attack by knife, etc. Can't be too prepared!

    And I explained my core problem - I do not know who these people are, so why would I trust them? I recognize two things - the gun toter doesn't make the shopping experience more than trivially safer or more dangerous. But he or she introduces a problem I have to deal with. I can't know if the person is sane, has been trained, follows the training, and will handle the weapon safely, so I'll feel a need to keep an eye on him or her. Not obsessively, but if there are 100 people in the target I'll be watching the rifle a bit more than the woman with a kid getting milk. It's something I don't want or need while shopping. I won't leave the store or promise never to come back till they ban weapons, but it's just added stress, however small, I prefer to avoid. And there is no reason for it. No one needs a firearm to shop safely.
    How many people are attacked in parking lots? Plenty of women, that's for sure. Or stopping for gas on the way? Or if your car breaks down after dark and you or your wife have to wait for a tow truck?

    Man, you do not think these things thru at all, do you? Easier just to complain about stuff that makes you 'uncomfortable'.


    And no one cares if you trust them...I dont trust a single other person on the road I'm driving on. Too bad for me, I have to deal with it. And I'm alot safer in Target with guns than driving on the roads every day.

    See....it's your perspective on the object, not the object itself and American has been on a campaign to demonize guns...and love their cars (this one since the 50s). And you can certainly see how people just pop their babies in cars...even with mere acquaintences...out of convenience and off they go at the drop of a hat....placing themselves and kids in more danger than they EVER are from people carrying guns out in public (concealed or open).

    The guy with the rifle KNOWS everyone is watching him...duh. It's a statement in many cases (not that I agree with it). It's the ones you cant see until they open fire or hold up the cashier.

    BTW, I didnt even shoot a handgun until my 40s. I never needed one before and I havent needed it since I got it. I try to carry as a rule...and used to... but am more about convenience today unfortunately, until I get a smaller one. There's no fear involved. It's prudence, just like carrying my cell phone. I dont like that either but I had to MAKE myself carry it everyday, everywhere...and that certainly has served a purpose in emergencies many times. Do I need it every day? No, but when I need it, I NEED it.

    I learned to shoot, I liked it, and I recognized another tool to add for my own protection. So dont try building yourself up by tearing others down. Are people that practice firedrills with their family at home fearful? Or prudent? The ones that teach their kids about not getting into cars with strangers...fear? Are they scared every day their kid will be kidnapped? Or is it just smart to prepare your kid for it?
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    Re: Should Target take action to keep rifles out of their stores?[W:37]

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    Re: Should Target take action to keep rifles out of their stores?[W:37]

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    in practical terms, I won't seek your permission to exercise my 2A rights... and you'll never know i'm doing so...I've plowed this field for the last 40+ years.
    ( it was actually a bank robbery that got me into carrying concealed long ago.. i was unlucky enough to be in line at a bank when 2 robbers with guns walked in and robbed the place...i figured if no-gun policies weren't going to stop the bad guys, the good guys shouldn't be hamstrung by those same policies.)

    you're policy may be observed, and it's your right to set that policy, though.
    and the store has the right to deny you access....it really is that simple and I am sorry you wasted your 40 years not learning that.

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    Re: Should Target take action to keep rifles out of their stores?[W:37]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post

    Irrational fears should be dealt with by education, not by playing right into those fears.
    I agree but the news media, the school systems, and many community/state govts are actively attempting to educate that guns are evil and that they should be feared. I think they are frustrated and trying to counter what they see as more and more restrictions. (I still am not agreeing with their actions and only speculating on their motives.)
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    Re: Should Target take action to keep rifles out of their stores?[W:37]

    Quote Originally Posted by Sababa View Post
    and the store has the right to deny you access....it really is that simple and I am sorry you wasted your 40 years not learning that.
    As I said before, I think walking the isles with an AK, or AR strapped across your back is kind of stupid, but it is interesting, do you take it to the point of someone walking around with a concealed weapon like say, a DB9? Because chances are you would never know they even had it.
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    Re: Should Target take action to keep rifles out of their stores?

    Target should do whatever is A) legal and B) best for Target.

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