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Thread: Should Target take action to keep rifles out of their stores?[W:37]

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    Re: Should Target take action to keep rifles out of their stores?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    ... but I can't see lugging a rifle around in Target while shopping (unless I believed I was under serious and imminent threat, and if I was under serious/imminent threat WTF am I shopping for??)
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    Re: Should Target take action to keep rifles out of their stores?[W:37]

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    but it does effect that persons right to exercise his/her civil rights in public access facility.
    Target is private property. They have a right to set the policies of what they will allow in the store as far as objects go. And yes, a gun is an object. If you do not wish to transfer the responsibility to the store for your safety, you don't have to shop there.

    But it's not like you can ask a gay person "Leave your gay at the door" or "Leave your blackness at the door". The person, however, can enter a store without their gun and purchase items without their weapon. Which is the point people are not understanding.

    I don't care one way or another. I don't pick the places to shop by whether I can bring my firearm into the place and yes I own firearms.

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    Re: Should Target take action to keep rifles out of their stores?[W:37]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptic View Post
    And if you owned a store, I would need your permission to hold a church service in the store, or even in the parking lot (providing you owned that). Nor can I excersize my right to free speech with out your permission (distribute leaflets or hold a rally).

    Now if "Target" were a shooting range, then perhaps your analogy might fit.

    In short, I still retain my rights to free speech, religion, bear arms- I just need to have your permission to do use those rights on your private property.

    in practical terms, I won't seek your permission to exercise my 2A rights... and you'll never know i'm doing so...I've plowed this field for the last 40+ years.
    ( it was actually a bank robbery that got me into carrying concealed long ago.. i was unlucky enough to be in line at a bank when 2 robbers with guns walked in and robbed the place...i figured if no-gun policies weren't going to stop the bad guys, the good guys shouldn't be hamstrung by those same policies.)

    you're policy may be observed, and it's your right to set that policy, though.

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    Re: Should Target take action to keep rifles out of their stores?[W:37]

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Target is private property. They have a right to set the policies of what they will allow in the store as far as objects go. And yes, a gun is an object. If you do not wish to transfer the responsibility to the store for your safety, you don't have to shop there.

    But it's not like you can ask a gay person "Leave your gay at the door" or "Leave your blackness at the door". The person, however, can enter a store without their gun and purchase items without their weapon. Which is the point people are not understanding.

    I don't care one way or another. I don't pick the places to shop by whether I can bring my firearm into the place and yes I own firearms.
    true, i don't have to shop there... or... oorrrr. i will do as i've always done...carry concealed.

    I don't choose my stores by their gun policies either...well, i probably wouldn't shop at a store that is ardently anti-gun... but i don't go looking for them.
    if i ever get the boot for carrying, so be it... but it has never happened in over 40 years,and i don't suspect it'll happen anytime soon.

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    Re: Should Target take action to keep rifles out of their stores?[W:37]

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    true, i don't have to shop there... or... oorrrr. i will do as i've always done...carry concealed.
    And if caught, say in Costco, you risk the chance of a trespassing charge. Either way, it's like speeding. People do it, just don't be suprised when you get cause.

    I don't choose my stores by their gun policies either...well, i probably wouldn't shop at a store that is ardently anti-gun... but i don't go looking for them.
    if i ever get the boot for carrying, so be it... but it has never happened in over 40 years,and i don't suspect it'll happen anytime soon.
    And that's the risk you're taking. Which to me is like taking the risk for speeding. People obviously do it, you're not the only one, I just have no sympathy when they get cuaght.

    I do think, however, those that are purposely carrying rifles into stores are doing nothing but hurting their own cause and losing support for the very thing they are demonstrating. It's the ole saying "Just because you CAN do something, doesn't me you SHOULD do that". Those carrying rifles into stores are demonstrating that quite well IMO.

    I'm supportive of the idea to open carry firearms, but I am not about to be stupid and do a "Look at me" action either.

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    Re: Should Target take action to keep rifles out of their stores?[W:37]

    I am very big on people not being able to violate the rights of others, but I am also very big on people otherwise having the right to their own person and property. So a business owner should be able to set his/her own rules for what is acceptable on his/her own premises.

    Bare feet greatly increase the possibility of injury and therefore are a serious liability risk for a private business, and semi nudity is not pleasant for many others; ergo, the rules: no shoes, no shirt, no service. I support any business anywhere having the right to impose such restrictions on who they serve. And that would also go for restrictions on guns, back packs, or anything else that the business proprietor didn't want to see or deal with for any reason whatsoever.
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    Re: Should Target take action to keep rifles out of their stores?

    Quote Originally Posted by Texmex View Post
    We have a Constitutional right to bear arms in Target stores?
    I don't believe it's been tested yet.. so it can be argued either way.

    there are some other related cases and laws we can look to.. such as employers trying to ban firearms from their property... parking lots, to be more specific.... that's a no-go in most states.

    thankfully, it's incredible rare that a situation would arise that would afford this issue it's day in court.( and i hope it doesn't happen and this remains an academic issue)
    it would take a a nutbag killer, the store, someone who observed the no-guns policy, that same person being harmed , and the store not accepting liability for the safety of the customers... a perfect storm, if you will.

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    Re: Should Target take action to keep rifles out of their stores?[W:37]

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    And if caught, say in Costco, you risk the chance of a trespassing charge. Either way, it's like speeding. People do it, just don't be suprised when you get cause.



    And that's the risk you're taking. Which to me is like taking the risk for speeding. People obviously do it, you're not the only one, I just have no sympathy when they get cuaght.

    I do think, however, those that are purposely carrying rifles into stores are doing nothing but hurting their own cause and losing support for the very thing they are demonstrating. It's the ole saying "Just because you CAN do something, doesn't me you SHOULD do that". Those carrying rifles into stores are demonstrating that quite well IMO.

    I'm supportive of the idea to open carry firearms, but I am not about to be stupid and do a "Look at me" action either.
    i'd be very surprised if i was caught.. but if it did happen,i wouldn't sweat it much.. i certainly wouldn't go shopping for sympathy.

    i'm not a fan of "look at me" stunts either.. no matter the issue.
    i've always said that i'm no fan of protests and marches.. it's all buffoonery to me.
    that said, i respect the rights of others to engage in whatever buffoonery that is legally available to them.. and to reap whatever consequences they bring.... in this particular case, they have brought a host of negative reactions and a potential policy change at Target ( which would honestly make me laugh, as buffoonery that backfires often does.)

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    Re: Should Target take action to keep rifles out of their stores?[W:37]

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    i'd be very surprised if i was caught.. but if it did happen,i wouldn't sweat it much.. i certainly wouldn't go shopping for sympathy.

    i'm not a fan of "look at me" stunts either.. no matter the issue.
    i've always said that i'm no fan of protests and marches.. it's all buffoonery to me.
    that said, i respect the rights of others to engage in whatever buffoonery that is legally available to them.. and to reap whatever consequences they bring.... in this particular case, they have brought a host of negative reactions and a potential policy change at Target ( which would honestly make me laugh, as buffoonery that backfires often does.)
    Yeah, I am failing to see what carrying their AR's, or AK's into the store accomplishes for them....I have a CCW, and you would never know I am armed unless you needed to...
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    Re: Should Target take action to keep rifles out of their stores?

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    And I agree. A private business can restrict guns if they wish.

    The barefoot question was more rhetorical to those who think that you should be able to take guns anywhere without restriction, but other rights get thrown under the bus.
    i personally don't care if a businesses allows guns or not. if i had a business i would not allow open carry in my store. if you have a conceal license and a gun and i can't tell then there is little i can do about.

    however a guy walking into my store with and open carry no. why? it is bad for business and makes other people uncomfortable and i don't know that person from jack and jill.

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