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    Re: Should Target take action to keep rifles out of their stores?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    People have the right to keep and bear arms - that is in the Second Amendment. Now gay sex in the frozen food aisle is NOT a civil liberty (no matter how many progressives would love it to be).
    Then what am I going to do with all those popsicles???

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    Re: Should Target take action to keep rifles out of their stores?[W:37]

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    But why is it OK to not serve gays, but not OK to restrict guns in the store?
    I dunno, ask someone who holds that belief.
    in the same token, why is ok to have to serve gays, but not ok to allow firearms?

    What if you're a Quaker and have a religious objection to violence? Why would someone's Second Amendment right overrule your First Amendment right?
    the right to keep and bear does not equal violence.. they are not synonymous...... exercising your 2A rights in no way infringes on a Quakers 1st amendment rights or their objection to violence.

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    Re: Should Target take action to keep rifles out of their stores?[W:37]

    Quote Originally Posted by Sababa View Post
    The 2nd Amendment doesn't apply here since the government isn't involved.
    oh, I think of you thought about it long and hard you would come to the correct conclusion that private parties are not afforded the right or authority to violate civil liberties without fear of legal repercussions.

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    Re: Should Target take action to keep rifles out of their stores?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    in that particular incident, TM initiated aggression... that would not change whether he was armed or not.... he would still being the wrong due to his initiation.

    the outcome would be different though.. of that you would be correct...Z would be dead, and TM would be alive... still in the wrong, but alive.
    Dont recount what you don't know.

    You were told Trevon was the agressor. By whom? The man left standing...

    Under SYG anyone is allowed to protect himself from a precieved threat. That is the law. If Treavon felt in any moment his life was being threated he had the right to defend himself. He had the right to be agressive in that defense.

    Everyone has the right to defend themselves...


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    Re: Should Target take action to keep rifles out of their stores?[W:37]

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    I dunno, ask someone who holds that belief.
    in the same token, why is ok to have to serve gays, but not ok to allow firearms?
    Ther eis a local law that requires public businesses to not discriminate. it really is that simple.



    the right to keep and bear does not equal violence.. they are not synonymous...... exercising your 2A rights in no way infringes on a Quakers 1st amendment rights or their objection to violence.
    Well again and I don't know why people are not seeing this, the 2 amendment doesn't apply here. If I own a business in almost every jurisdiction in the country, and I want to ban guns, I am fully allowed to do it and no one's rights are violated. Linking it to serving gays is not a good analogy. Think of it this way. You are not allowed to preach at Target, give political speeches or yell at people who are buying products that you feel hurt the environment. All of which is protected by the Constitution if you did it on the sidewalk outside of the store (within a certain distance). If you do those things you won't be arrested for them in particular (meaning content) you will be arrested for trespassing and disturbing the peace. Just the same with guns. If Target restricts any form of open carry your right to open carry is not gone, just mitigated by their right not to have you do it in their store. If you do go in and are asked to leave and you don't. Like the preacher, shouter and politician you will be arrested not for having a gun but for trespassing or disturbing the peace. It really is that simple.

    No I see no reason that a law not be passed that makes open carry ubiquitous in stores and other open public accommodations. I know some businesses that have restricted employees have faced laws that force them to allow carrying on sight, but until then Target is well within both their rights and the law to restrict it.

    Now I wonder if a sign went up at Target that said "If you bring a rifle into the store we will assume you are a potential danger and you will be followed by security. If you move your rifle into any kind of position that allows you to fire you will be shot. Have a Nice Day" if that would solve the problem.

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    Re: Should Target take action to keep rifles out of their stores?[W:37]

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    oh, I think of you thought about it long and hard you would come to the correct conclusion that private parties are not afforded the right or authority to violate civil liberties without fear of legal repercussions.
    you have no idea what you are talking about.

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    Re: Should Target take action to keep rifles out of their stores?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1750Texan View Post
    Dont recount what you don't know.

    You were told Trevon was the agressor. By whom? The man left standing...

    Under SYG anyone is allowed to protect himself from a precieved threat. That is the law. If Treavon felt in any moment his life was being threated he had the right to defend himself. He had the right to be agressive in that defense.

    Everyone has the right to defend themselves...
    you're right, i don't know for certain... but I do have the findings of the jury and the available evidence to guide my opinion... you have, well, nothing.
    i'm curious, why am i not allowed to speak on things i don't know for sure , but it's ok for you?... i'm no an of double standards, so try to stick to a single one.

    i'm not gonna rehash the TM case.. it's settled.. it's over.. it's not my problem you can't accept it.

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    Re: Should Target take action to keep rifles out of their stores?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    you're right, i don't know for certain...
    that's all you needed to post.


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    Re: Should Target take action to keep rifles out of their stores?[W:37]

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    I dunno, ask someone who holds that belief.
    in the same token, why is ok to have to serve gays, but not ok to allow firearms?
    Gays are people, guns are objects. Nobody's saying they should be allowed to not serve gun owners, the objection is to guns in the store. Similarly, you may have to accept gay customers, but you don't have to accept them having gay sex in the store. People vs. objects and actions.

    the right to keep and bear does not equal violence.. they are not synonymous...... exercising your 2A rights in no way infringes on a Quakers 1st amendment rights or their objection to violence.
    I was trying to pick a religion that might have an objection to firearms. If a business owner has a religious conviction against guns, why would they have to put up with it?


    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    This issue has been plowed more times than Paris Hilton.
    Quote Originally Posted by Oborosen View Post
    Too bad we have to observe human rights.

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    Re: Should Target take action to keep rifles out of their stores?[W:37]

    Quote Originally Posted by Sababa View Post
    you have no idea what you are talking about.
    a predictable non-response.

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