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    Re: European Central Bank adopts negative interest rates

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    .....reducing the rate it pays on money deposited by banks from zero to minus 0.1 per cent.
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    That's not what this is about.
    It is too me.
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    Re: European Central Bank adopts negative interest rates

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    The entire problem starts and ends with the Euro. That was one of the worst economic ideas ever.
    The execution was certainly miserable and probably it was illegal as well.

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    Re: European Central Bank adopts negative interest rates

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    That's not what this is about.
    To a certain extent I am afraid it is. This is an obvious manipulation of the exchange rate and aimed in good part towards improving Euroland's competitiveness. I am not sure that it is allowed under WTO regulation.

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    Re: European Central Bank adopts negative interest rates

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    The execution was certainly miserable and probably it was illegal as well.
    I agree 100% and I have absolutely no idea how they got away with that scam.

    It's quite clear economists had no say in any of it and the Euro was just a fantasy of European politicians who wanted to "spread the wealth."

    Now they're trying to force spending and lending with this new nonsense plan - presumably to collect taxes via transactions.

    In a shade, it reminds me of Clintons community reinvestment act - just not as severe and twisted.

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    Re: European Central Bank adopts negative interest rates

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    You are getting charged to put your money in a bank? 100 dollars deposited means you can take 99 out. Start stuffing the mattresses!
    Start? LOL been stuffing it for years now! screw the banksters.

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    Re: European Central Bank adopts negative interest rates

    Also, I bet Europeans will start hoarding money themselves like people did in the US back around the turn of the 20th century or around the Great Depression.

    I don't know what the hell these European idiots are thinking?

    If I had investments in European stock or the Euro I would pull out immediately...

    Also, given these new policies what's to stop another country (say the Saudi's) from literally buying the European economy then holding it hostage?

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    Re: European Central Bank adopts negative interest rates

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    You are getting charged to put your money in a bank? 100 dollars deposited means you can take 99 out. Start stuffing the mattresses!
    That's exactly what I was thinking lol.

    It seems they're trying to destroy the entire concept of the bank. They're forcing them to lend then giving no one any incentive to save with a bank...

    So what the hell happens to the banks when they all shut their doors and everyone is storing their money in coffee cans in their backyards?

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    Re: European Central Bank adopts negative interest rates

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    That's exactly what I was thinking lol.

    It seems they're trying to destroy the entire concept of the bank. They're forcing them to lend then giving no one any incentive to save with a bank...

    So what the hell happens to the banks when they all shut their doors and everyone is storing their money in coffee cans in their backyards?
    It will kill growth.
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    Re: European Central Bank adopts negative interest rates

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    It will kill growth.
    Of course it will, but it will spur a lot of taxation hence grow the government.

    I mean they're basically destroying banks or the concept of a bank..

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    Re: European Central Bank adopts negative interest rates

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    It is too me.
    No, it's not to you, it's to banks.
    You will still get the same interest you did on your savings account.

    By offering negative interest rates to bank you are encouraging banks to offer loans at low rates.

    So when I, the ECB, give you, the bank, a loan at NO INTEREST, I'm giving you a chance to make money on my terms. So I'll give you 10mil euros with no interest means that 10 years from now, you'll still have to pay me back just the 10mil euros. You can do nothing with that money and you'd lose or win nothing over those 10 years. Ofc, I, the ECB, tell you to loan those 10mil euros at low interest to people who wanna... I don't know, buy cars. It's basically a stimulus to the car industry. So I tell you to loan all that 10mil euros at 1% interest to people who wanna buy cars. At the end of the day, you make money and when you have to pay me back, you'll have earned something. Better than earning nothing because when you try and give loans to people who wanna buy cars are 5% interest, they don't take them. In reality, it's a stimulus to the car industry, a subsidy basically and a way to make some of my banker friends richer.

    But when I give you negative interests, I, the ECB, will tell you : take 10mil euros, loan it the way I tell you to loan it (say, for start-up businesses and the interest at 0.5%) and I'll pay you a 0.1% of the value of the loan for 5 years. So you'll be making money from the 0.5% interest that you get from people who wanna do start-ups and the 0.1% from me and 10 years from now when you give me back the 10mil euros, you'll have made a bunch of money.

    Now ofc, I, the ECB, in order to give you the 0.1% of the total value in negative interest, I have to print out money. Which means deflation. which means the euro goes down in value. Because the euro is a strong currency and has just 0.5% inflation as opposed to say, the dollar which has a 2% inflation rate .
    Current US Inflation Rates: 2004-2014 | US Inflation Calculator
    I will effectively make the euro less valuable in contrast to other currencies. Which is both good and very, very bad. It's going to be a kick in the nuts to heavily indebted countries that owe debt to non-EU countries. Why non-EU countries? Because as it's been seen, with countries like Greece and Portugal, it's been something called "restructuring of debt" in the EU which basically was an adjusting of the debt levels of the EU to not be ****ed by rate of the euro.

    So what the ECB is trying to do get the euro at a 0.7% inflation rate. Which again, it's good and bad. Most countries agree on a 1.5-2.5% inflation rate to be optimal.

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