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Justin Bieber Sings About Killing Black People, Joining KKK

tacomancer said:
Context matters sure
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Really, it does? Because I just saw someone lambasting someone for letting context matter and claiming that:

tacomancer said:
wrong is wrong.
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So "wrong is wrong" unless YOU personally think the context says it's right?

but i don't see this situation as one where the context is a significant detail.
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Hmm, apparently so. You lash out at Mr V with your ridiculous house robbing analogy because his use of context to not be as indignant over this situation is in error because "wrong is wrong".......but it's entirely okay for you to use context to determine when "wrong" isn't "wrong". I guess it does answer this question from my post pretty succinctly though:

Zyphlin said:
Or just upset when someone uses criteria you don't agree with?
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Apparently you should amend your comment. "Wrong is Wrong, unless Tacomancer thinks it's right"
 
Zyphlin said:
Really, it does? Because I just saw someone lambasting someone for letting context matter and claiming that:



So "wrong is wrong" unless YOU personally think the context says it's right?



Hmm, apparently so. You lash out at Mr V with your ridiculous house robbing analogy because his use of context to not be as indignant over this situation is in error because "wrong is wrong".......but it's entirely okay for you to use context to determine when "wrong" isn't "wrong". I guess it does answer this question from my post pretty succinctly though:



Apparently you should amend your comment. "Wrong is Wrong, unless Tacomancer thinks it's right"
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Let me dig into this a bit:

Wrong is wrong, but wrong can be forgiven if someone is in a situation where it is reasonable to understand that they aren't going to be at their best. They may be under a lot of stress, not have a complete set of information about a topic, have genetic issues, simply have a low IQ, or whatever. But this doesn't mean what they did isn't wrong, but that they can be overlooked or ignored as human frailty is also a thing to take into account. In other words, wrong is wrong, but there may be mitigating circumstances where it can be overlooked if that person cannot help it or realizes that they were wrong and acts in a more civilized manner in the future.

This is not a situation where beiber's human frailty is an excuse as he grew up with many advantages that most folks won't see in their lifetimes. Also, I later read that beiber did own up to it and admitted he acted stupidly, so I no longer worry about it, but if he hadn't then, there would be no reason for me to change my mind as he has, from what I can tell, an adequately functioning brain, the ability to function in society, and a nice set of situational advantages.

Mr V came at this under a totally different angle, plus he was acting like an ass, so I wasn't going to be as nice to him as I would prefer, because when someone is an ass, what's the point? Being nice doesn't stop them from being an ass. If he had acted like a reasonable person, my responses would have been more thoughtful, as they tend to be with you since you are a reasonable person.

But it seems what you are essentially asking me to do is step outside my own moral compass to declare wrong is not wrong, because someone disagrees or has a different opinion. Why would I or anyone do that? That makes no sense. I will process context as I value that context and that is that. Everyone should do the same or else they would not be true to themselves and their identity. Now if you give me a reasonable argument that my current view point doesn't already take into account and the weight of the argument is sufficient for me to reconsider, then sure, but this has not occurred in this thread yet. But that doesn't not necessarily mean I will end up adjusting my PoV or even if I do adjust my PoV, it may morph into something completely different than all sides had previously considered and into something novel.
 
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Except Mr V's post you responded to with "wrong is wrong" wasn't about whether or not it was wrong, it was whether or not it was worthy of indignance. Your response to his statement on INDIGNANCE was to suggest "wrong is wrong", suggesting the exact OPPOSITE of what you just attempt to explain in great nuance above. That wrong is somehow UNIVERSALLY wrong, because if it can be "wrong" but context can allow one to REACT differently to that wrong then saying "wrong is wrong" to Mr V's comment about indignance would've been an idiotic non-sequitor.

I'm not suggesting you step out your own moral compass to declare something is wrong. I'm suggesting people can REACT to something "wrong" in various ways depending on the context of the situation. Yet because you didn't agree with the context you simply deemed "Wrong is wrong" and seemingly that everyone must react to wrong in the specific manner you deem acceptable, else they're trying to claim that wrong isn't wrong.
 
Superfly said:
:lol: :lol: Wow. Once you calm down, drink a beer and relax, come back and show me where I said that what Beiber said was OK. You won't find it - I promise, because I don't think it's OK. I do think that someone that young heard it from home. Racism is a learned behavior. Not something we are born with. Many people, such as myself, who were raised in a racist household, grew out of it. I'm thinking that maybe Paula Deen didn't get that memo. :shrug:
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i was calm and I was in fact having a beer:lol:......and iv heard that racism is a learned behavior from a young age and iv have seen first hand that may not be so true, it iust might be learned through real life experiences its a kind of a long story but i dont mind sharing it.....but back to the topic, you dont have to grow up in a home hearing racist or vulgar words to learn them and use them fluently, im living proof of that, I can drop F-bombs with the best of them but as and only child I never heard either of my parents say it...........so, saying you grew up in a "racist" household, you probably have let the word fly out of your mouth a time or two as well huh?
 
fishinRod said:
i was calm and I was in fact having a beer:lol:......and iv heard that racism is a learned behavior from a young age and iv have seen first hand that may not be so true, it iust might be learned through real life experiences its a kind of a long story but i dont mind sharing it.....but back to the topic, you dont have to grow up in a home hearing racist or vulgar words to learn them and use them fluently, im living proof of that, I can drop F-bombs with the best of them but as and only child I never heard either of my parents say it...........so, saying you grew up in a "racist" household, you probably have let the word fly out of your mouth a time or two as well huh?
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Nope. I don't have to. Using words like that are a sign of a small mind and a limited vocabulary.
 
I heard last night that making a word "taboo" is a bigger temptation for teens to use it to be cool?
 
Superfly said:
Nope. I don't have to. Using words like that are a sign of a small mind and a limited vocabulary.
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so at a very young age, when you didnt know right from wrong when you physicaly did have a small mind and limited vocabulary and listened to every thing that was said around you in your "racist" household.....you actually knew right from wrong and didnt repeat what you heard?..hmmph.....if thats the case then racism isnt necessarily a learned behaviour now is it?... AND if you knew better at a young impreshinable age not to say these things, shouldnt a 14 year old know as well or be held to the same standards as everyone else?
 
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so at a very young age, when you didnt know right from wrong when you physicaly did have a small mind and limited vocabulary and listened to every thing that was said around you in your "racist" household.....you actually knew right from wrong and didnt repeat what you heard?..hmmph.....if thats the case then racism isnt necessarily a learned behaviour now is it?... AND if you knew better at a young impreshinable age not to say these things, shouldnt a 14 year old know as well or be held to the same standards as everyone else?
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A 14 year old is different from a 2 year old. Surely you know the difference. Surely you do.
 
Superfly said:
A 14 year old is different from a 2 year old. Surely you know the difference. Surely you do.
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This is beiber we are discussing ...
 
Superfly said:
A 14 year old is different from a 2 year old. Surely you know the difference. Surely you do.
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so you had it all figured out at the age of 2?.....wow!, I have a 2 year old grand daughter, I'm going to see if she can explain racism to me when she comes over tonight
 
What a difference 180 years makes. 180 years ago the worlds first "pop star" was Franz Liszt, who was a star because he was the best. He had real talent. The man actually did an 1800s version of going "off the grid" for several years just to develop his technique in private. It's as different as it can be from now, where someone can be a global force pop-star with minimal talent, and maximum production. There was no production for Liszt. Just a once in a millennium talent and a piano.
 
Johnson said:
What a difference 180 years makes. 180 years ago the worlds first "pop star" was Franz Liszt, who was a star because he was the best. He had real talent. The man actually did an 1800s version of going "off the grid" for several years just to develop his technique in private. It's as different as it can be from now, where someone can be a global force pop-star with minimal talent, and maximum production. There was no production for Liszt. Just a once in a millennium talent and a piano.
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Do a staying power comparison between whatever Bieber's most popular song is and this Liszt masterpiece.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0odaG9qi818

Cartoonists everywhere have been using this gem forever :D
 
fishinRod said:
so you had it all figured out at the age of 2?.....wow!, I have a 2 year old grand daughter, I'm going to see if she can explain racism to me when she comes over tonight
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Seriously? That's what you got out of my response? Then maybe you should be getting your information from your granddaughter. She's probably more your speed. :shrug:
 
CalGun said:
So its ok to be a racist pig so long as your liberal - or do you just want to talk about key lime pies and ignore your leans hypocrisy?
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Justin Bieber is anything but a liberal.

Abortion is wrong:

The teen heartthrob is quoted in the magazine's March issue as saying "you should just wait" until you're in love to have sex, and "I really don't believe in abortion … It's like killing a baby."

Read more: Justin Bieber's abortion comments in Rolling Stone slammed on 'The View' - NY Daily News
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When asked about situations in which women become pregnant after being raped, Bieber said he believed "everything happens for a reason," but noted, "I haven't been in that position, so I wouldn't be able to judge that."

Read more: Justin Bieber's abortion comments in Rolling Stone slammed on 'The View' - NY Daily News
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Homosexuality is a choice:

The Justin Bieber Controversy | Advocate.com

In excerpts from the interview published on the magazine's website, 16-year-old Bieber is asked for his view on homosexuality and replies, "It's everyone's own decision to do that. It doesn't affect me and shouldn't affect anyone else.”
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Justin Bieber meeting sold at U.K. Conservative fundraiser | National Post

Britain’s Conservative party is embroiled in a cash-for-access dispute after allegedly selling a meet-and-greet with Canadian singer Justin Bieber — without telling him first.

According to the London Sun, British Prime Minister David Cameron’s Tory party sold a meeting with the Baby singer for £10,000 ($15,500) in order to raise money for party coffers.

The paper said a wealthy financier was the highest bidder at an auction held during the Tories’ annual Black and White Party fundraiser.
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Justin Bieber: F*** Bill Clinton! (Video) - National Conservative | Examiner.com

After doing that, he turned, saw a picture of President Bill Clinton on the wall and sprayed it with cleaning liquid and blurted out “F*** Bill Clinton!” The guys with him were obviously entertained and their reaction to each dastardly deed encouraged Bieber to continue his antics.
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CalGun said:
Justin Bieber and Barack Obama's Daughters on Stage of 'Christmas In Washington' Show (Pictures)

you forgot some....was it intentional?
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Wait.. your argument is that he is a liberal because he was in a concert at the white house? As opposed to the claim that he is conservative because of his actual opinions? LOL. You're more of a hack than I thought. Hey, don't let his own statements on a myriad of issues get in the way of your anti-liberal rant. ;) Next, you'll be stating Charles Krauthammer is a Democrat/Liberal.
 
Superfly said:
Seriously? That's what you got out of my response? Then maybe you should be getting your information from your granddaughter. She's probably more your speed. :shrug:
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she makes a lot more sense than you do...and is more believable
 
I only go on twitter to spy on my kids( don't judge me) and half the kids use the "n" word or retweet racist dumb stuff as a term of endearment. I guess bc I read it so much it's not a big shock to me. What goes on in the mind and what's extended through the fingertips by todays youth is scary!
 
Who is Justin Bieber?
 
I feel bad for his mom. She's the one suffering in shame right now, from embarrassment. She raised him right, he had a good start, and he just got caught up in the crap!
 
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