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    Re: Justin Bieber Sings About Killing Black People, Joining KKK

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    Wow. Once you calm down, drink a beer and relax, come back and show me where I said that what Beiber said was OK. You won't find it - I promise, because I don't think it's OK. I do think that someone that young heard it from home. Racism is a learned behavior. Not something we are born with. Many people, such as myself, who were raised in a racist household, grew out of it. I'm thinking that maybe Paula Deen didn't get that memo.
    I'm thinking a bunch of "liberals" actually believe their opinions should be law.

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    Re: Justin Bieber Sings About Killing Black People, Joining KKK

    Bieber blowzzz!


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    Re: Justin Bieber Sings About Killing Black People, Joining KKK

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    In that case we may as well not have laws because criminals are just going to rob houses.

    wrong is wrong.
    So I'm confused. Are you saying context doesn't matter when determining how indignant to get over something? Or just upset when someone uses criteria you don't agree with?

    Do you get equally indignant over a 15 year old that steals a candy bar and a 25 year old that steals a corvette? Do you get equally indignant over someone punching a peer who calls his girlfriend a gutter skank as you do someone who punches a 80 year old guy as part of a knockout game?

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    Re: Justin Bieber Sings About Killing Black People, Joining KKK

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    So I'm confused. Are you saying context doesn't matter when determining how indignant to get over something? Or just upset when someone uses criteria you don't agree with?

    Do you get equally indignant over a 15 year old that steals a candy bar and a 25 year old that steals a corvette? Do you get equally indignant over someone punching a peer who calls his girlfriend a gutter skank as you do someone who punches a 80 year old guy as part of a knockout game?
    Context matters sure, but i don't see this situation as one where the context is a significant detail.

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    Re: Justin Bieber Sings About Killing Black People, Joining KKK

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    **** that - you may not like it or agree with it but it's not a crime.

    Everyone would be facing charges if we disagreed with them, and I'm quite sure our local criminal courts and DOJ would love it.

    Who are we going to charge Next Black Sabbath or Ozzy?

    How about the ****ing entire punk movement?
    Lol, so your entire moral compass is whether something is a crime?

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    Re: Justin Bieber Sings About Killing Black People, Joining KKK

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Where were you when Beiber actually broke the law?
    I was unaware he broke the law until just now.

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    Re: Justin Bieber Sings About Killing Black People, Joining KKK

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    Context matters sure
    Really, it does? Because I just saw someone lambasting someone for letting context matter and claiming that:

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    wrong is wrong.
    So "wrong is wrong" unless YOU personally think the context says it's right?

    but i don't see this situation as one where the context is a significant detail.
    Hmm, apparently so. You lash out at Mr V with your ridiculous house robbing analogy because his use of context to not be as indignant over this situation is in error because "wrong is wrong".......but it's entirely okay for you to use context to determine when "wrong" isn't "wrong". I guess it does answer this question from my post pretty succinctly though:

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Or just upset when someone uses criteria you don't agree with?
    Apparently you should amend your comment. "Wrong is Wrong, unless Tacomancer thinks it's right"

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    Re: Justin Bieber Sings About Killing Black People, Joining KKK

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Really, it does? Because I just saw someone lambasting someone for letting context matter and claiming that:



    So "wrong is wrong" unless YOU personally think the context says it's right?



    Hmm, apparently so. You lash out at Mr V with your ridiculous house robbing analogy because his use of context to not be as indignant over this situation is in error because "wrong is wrong".......but it's entirely okay for you to use context to determine when "wrong" isn't "wrong". I guess it does answer this question from my post pretty succinctly though:



    Apparently you should amend your comment. "Wrong is Wrong, unless Tacomancer thinks it's right"
    Let me dig into this a bit:

    Wrong is wrong, but wrong can be forgiven if someone is in a situation where it is reasonable to understand that they aren't going to be at their best. They may be under a lot of stress, not have a complete set of information about a topic, have genetic issues, simply have a low IQ, or whatever. But this doesn't mean what they did isn't wrong, but that they can be overlooked or ignored as human frailty is also a thing to take into account. In other words, wrong is wrong, but there may be mitigating circumstances where it can be overlooked if that person cannot help it or realizes that they were wrong and acts in a more civilized manner in the future.

    This is not a situation where beiber's human frailty is an excuse as he grew up with many advantages that most folks won't see in their lifetimes. Also, I later read that beiber did own up to it and admitted he acted stupidly, so I no longer worry about it, but if he hadn't then, there would be no reason for me to change my mind as he has, from what I can tell, an adequately functioning brain, the ability to function in society, and a nice set of situational advantages.

    Mr V came at this under a totally different angle, plus he was acting like an ass, so I wasn't going to be as nice to him as I would prefer, because when someone is an ass, what's the point? Being nice doesn't stop them from being an ass. If he had acted like a reasonable person, my responses would have been more thoughtful, as they tend to be with you since you are a reasonable person.

    But it seems what you are essentially asking me to do is step outside my own moral compass to declare wrong is not wrong, because someone disagrees or has a different opinion. Why would I or anyone do that? That makes no sense. I will process context as I value that context and that is that. Everyone should do the same or else they would not be true to themselves and their identity. Now if you give me a reasonable argument that my current view point doesn't already take into account and the weight of the argument is sufficient for me to reconsider, then sure, but this has not occurred in this thread yet. But that doesn't not necessarily mean I will end up adjusting my PoV or even if I do adjust my PoV, it may morph into something completely different than all sides had previously considered and into something novel.
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    Re: Justin Bieber Sings About Killing Black People, Joining KKK

    Except Mr V's post you responded to with "wrong is wrong" wasn't about whether or not it was wrong, it was whether or not it was worthy of indignance. Your response to his statement on INDIGNANCE was to suggest "wrong is wrong", suggesting the exact OPPOSITE of what you just attempt to explain in great nuance above. That wrong is somehow UNIVERSALLY wrong, because if it can be "wrong" but context can allow one to REACT differently to that wrong then saying "wrong is wrong" to Mr V's comment about indignance would've been an idiotic non-sequitor.

    I'm not suggesting you step out your own moral compass to declare something is wrong. I'm suggesting people can REACT to something "wrong" in various ways depending on the context of the situation. Yet because you didn't agree with the context you simply deemed "Wrong is wrong" and seemingly that everyone must react to wrong in the specific manner you deem acceptable, else they're trying to claim that wrong isn't wrong.

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    Re: Justin Bieber Sings About Killing Black People, Joining KKK

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    Wow. Once you calm down, drink a beer and relax, come back and show me where I said that what Beiber said was OK. You won't find it - I promise, because I don't think it's OK. I do think that someone that young heard it from home. Racism is a learned behavior. Not something we are born with. Many people, such as myself, who were raised in a racist household, grew out of it. I'm thinking that maybe Paula Deen didn't get that memo.
    i was calm and I was in fact having a beer......and iv heard that racism is a learned behavior from a young age and iv have seen first hand that may not be so true, it iust might be learned through real life experiences its a kind of a long story but i dont mind sharing it.....but back to the topic, you dont have to grow up in a home hearing racist or vulgar words to learn them and use them fluently, im living proof of that, I can drop F-bombs with the best of them but as and only child I never heard either of my parents say it...........so, saying you grew up in a "racist" household, you probably have let the word fly out of your mouth a time or two as well huh?

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