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    Re: Obama admin. told wary military officials to ‘suck it up and salute’ on Taliban r

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    Chain of command??? Is not the president the big cheese in charge? I am pretty sure the chain of command is his do with as he sees fit, to use or ignore at his pleasure. Everyone under his command serves at his pleasure, to be removed and replaced at will.
    The chain of command goes down, the same way it goes up.

    Let's say you're a division commander and the the president detailed one of your subordinate elements out to a mission, without your knowledge, that would be a violation of your command authority.
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    Re: Obama admin. told wary military officials to ‘suck it up and salute’ on Taliban r

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    The chain of command goes down, the same way it goes up.

    Let's say you're a division commander and the the president detailed one of your subordinate elements out to a mission, without your knowledge, that would be a violation of your command authority.
    Is that not the presidents prerogative?
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    Re: Obama admin. told wary military officials to ‘suck it up and salute’ on Taliban r

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    If I am gona be screwed I prefer the genuine article thank you. Romney was democrat light. No point in changing. This way we go down faster.
    I get your point, but I don't think that best way to improve maritime safety standards is to make the Titanic sink faster.
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    Re: Obama admin. told wary military officials to ‘suck it up and salute’ on Taliban r

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    Is that not the presidents prerogative?
    Neither his perogotive, nor his right.
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    Re: Obama admin. told wary military officials to ‘suck it up and salute’ on Taliban r

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    Chain of command??? Is not the president the big cheese in charge? I am pretty sure the chain of command is his do with as he sees fit, to use or ignore at his pleasure. Everyone under his command serves at his pleasure, to be removed and replaced at will.
    There is a chain of command and the Incompetent CnC doesn't understand how the military chain of command works and has broken the chain of command or ignored the chain of command numerous times.

    Obama has also ordered members of the military to violate standing military regulations more than a few times.

    There's a process for changing military regulations and Obama doesn't know how the process works.

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    Re: Obama admin. told wary military officials to ‘suck it up and salute’ on Taliban r

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Neither his prerogative, nor his right.
    How so? Is he not in charge? Does he not hold the ultimate command authority? Last I checked constitutionally he being the commander in chief has no restrictions on how he may go about distributing orders and to whom in the military. They all be subordinate. They are his to use once congress unleashes him. If he wants to sack his commanders, I do believe he can. Is there something in the constitution that says otherwise? Taking your division commander example, say said president does that prior to sacking you, or he decides to reassign you elsewhere but wants to move the unit first? I honestly don't see were the president cant do these things unless there is something specific somewhere that says he cant. I am aware of nothing that does restrict the president in that capacity.
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    Re: Obama admin. told wary military officials to ‘suck it up and salute’ on Taliban r

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    Then maybe the military shouldn't have imprisoned hundreds of innocent people at Guantanamo and manipulated the tribunals until they got the results they wanted. The military hasn't exercised good judgement in its classification of who is dangerous and who isn't.
    I concur, the U.S. military should have followed international law and shot unlawful combatants on the battlefield when they were captured.

    I suppose the Bush administration believed they could gather intelligence from these unlawful combatants ?

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    Re: Obama admin. told wary military officials to ‘suck it up and salute’ on Taliban r

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    There is a chain of command and the Incompetent CnC doesn't understand how the military chain of command works and has broken the chain of command or ignored the chain of command numerous times.

    Obama has also ordered members of the military to violate standing military regulations more than a few times.

    There's a process for changing military regulations and Obama doesn't know how the process works.
    As I asked APDST, where is that says he cant do those things. He is the CnC. Just because it was done one way before doesn't mean he is obligated to continue to do it that way now. Unless there is something somewhere that says otherwise.
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    Re: Obama admin. told wary military officials to ‘suck it up and salute’ on Taliban r

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    How so? Is he not in charge? Does he not hold the ultimate command authority? Last I checked constitutionally he being the commander in chief has no restrictions on how he may go about distributing orders and to whom in the military. .
    You're 100 % wrong. It's Congress who decides what the military chain of command is and how it must be followed not some community organizer.

    You ever heard of the Goldwater–Nichols Act ?

    Even the Joint Chiefs of Staff are no longer part of the military chain of command.

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    Re: Obama admin. told wary military officials to ‘suck it up and salute’ on Taliban r

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    How so? Is he not in charge? Does he not hold the ultimate command authority? Last I checked constitutionally he being the commander in chief has no restrictions on how he may go about distributing orders and to whom in the military. They all be subordinate. They are his to use once congress unleashes him. If he wants to sack his commanders, I do believe he can. Is there something in the constitution that says otherwise? Taking your division commander example, say said president does that prior to sacking you, or he decides to reassign you elsewhere but wants to move the unit first? I honestly don't see were the president cant do these things unless there is something specific somewhere that says he cant. I am aware of nothing that does restrict the president in that capacity.
    He has almost un-limited authority to issue orders, through the chain of command.
    A unit commander, by law, is responsible for the whereabouts and conduct of the soldiers under his command, therefore, any orders issued to soldiers under his command have to go through him. That's why there are special operations unit created, that operate under a different chain of command.

    The chain of command exists for the same reason there are three branches of government, to insure that a CIC doesn't attempt to excercise absolute power. A second lieutenant might be intimidated into executing an unlawful order, a general won't.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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