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Charges detail Waukesha pre-teens' plot to kill classmate

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[SUP]"The 12-year-olds girls had been plotting the murder for months, police say.

Morgan E. Geyser was allowed to have two friends over every year for her birthday. This year, she'd celebrate on May 30. That is the day she and Anissa E. Weier would try to kill their friend during a sleepover.

On Monday, the two Waukesha girls were charged in Waukesha County Circuit Court as adults with attempted first-degree intentional homicide. Their victim, another 12-year-old from Waukesha, was stabbed 19 times by either Geyser or Weier or both, according to a criminal complaint. All three attend Horning Middle School, 2000 Wolf Road, in Waukesha.

Geyser and Weier were being held on $500,000 bail each. The pre-teens attempted murder, they told police, to pay homage to a fictional character who they believed was real after reading about him on a Web site devoted to horror stories.

On Saturday, a bicyclist found the victim, lying on the sidewalk and covered in blood, with injuries to her arms, legs and torso. She had managed to crawl out of the woods, where the suspects had left her to die. She was rushed to a hospital where she was in stable condition Monday evening, but fighting for her life.

A Waukesha County Sheriff's deputy found Geyser and Weier hours later. A knife with a five-inch blade was in Weier's backpack. The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel normally does not name juveniles involved in crimes, but is naming the suspects because they are in adult court and because of the severity of the charges.

Both suspects explained the stabbing to police referencing their dedication to "Slender Man," a character they discovered on a Web site called "Creepypasta Wiki" which is devoted to horror stories." - Source - Screen Shot

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Two 12 year old girls plotted and stabbed 19x, another 12 year old girl.
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They'll be locked up until they're 18 or 21.

I've read a lot of news stories about little girls or young girls murdering people and what I have noticed is that they do it for the most trivial reasons.

When guys get in disputes or disagreements they generally just fight it out toe to toe, yet girls seem to get passive and plot to murder. The differences on how females handle disputes and how males handle disputes baffles me.

Males may be brutes and settle our differences in a barbaric way but females get downright sadistic when they get pissed off, they're also a hell of a lot more cruel than males...
 
I knew that middle school girls could be pretty evil to one another........but damn
 
paddymcdougall said:
Um, let's think, think, think - more equal pay for women; increased tolerance for minorities; less spanking of kids; better medicine; more educated population; fathers more involved in child rearing; less threat of nuclear war.... Damn. Our society HASN'T fallen. There are just morons in every generation who do horrible things like this. Even when Tres Borrachos was 12, some other 12 yr old was beating someone up..... so nope, Tres, society hasn't fallen.

Thanks, blarg, for the question.
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Thank you for sharing your opinion, however difficult it was to read. I disagree.

No, when I was 12, there weren't 2 12 year old girls stabbing another 12 year old girl because of a website. This story isn't about someone beating someone up.
 
paddymcdougall said:
Um, let's think, think, think - more equal pay for women; increased tolerance for minorities; less spanking of kids; better medicine; more educated population; fathers more involved in child rearing; less threat of nuclear war.... Damn. Our society HASN'T fallen. There are just morons in every generation who do horrible things like this. Even when Tres Borrachos was 12, some other 12 yr old was beating someone up..... so nope, Tres, society hasn't fallen.

Thanks, blarg, for the question.
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This "new" generation breeds morons.

It seems a lot of people feel entitled and when they don't get their way or when their opinion is not accepted they get pissed and resolve to drastic levels of anger - including murder.

Our government and our society needs morons tho - sheep - to continue to progress to the "promise land" or "utopia" known as communism.

It seems that anyone who thinks outside the box our outside the realm of consensus is a deemed a threat and needs to be eliminated, of course these are little girls but it still shows how people who hold a different opinion are treated. Obviously adults handle it in a different way but this case certainly demonstrates human nature.

Teaching kids "entitlement" or "group think" is a horrible idea because you end up with situations like this, or even our present society where everyone gets a trophy.

Disagreement, debate and losing is all a part of life - yet these kids generally aren't being exposed to those ideas.
 
Mr.Nick said:
They'll be locked up until they're 18 or 21.

I've read a lot of news stories about little girls or young girls murdering people and what I have noticed is that they do it for the most trivial reasons.

When guys get in disputes or disagreements they generally just fight it out toe to toe, yet girls seem to get passive and plot to murder. The differences on how females handle disputes and how males handle disputes baffles me.

Males may be brutes and settle our differences in a barbaric way but females get downright sadistic when they get pissed off, they're also a hell of a lot more cruel than males...
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I haven't read yet about either assailant having a dispute with their victim.

But if we're going to overgeneralize, it usually isn't girls who go out and shoot as many innocent people as they can before taking their own lives either. ;)
 
northwinds said:
What other forum are we talking about?
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comments on sfgate.com

If anyone doesn't care about other forums, that's fine. I find this forum refreshing because it doesn't focus on the race of accused assailants (at least in the threads I've read) and felt contrasting it with a forum where people are hyper-vigilant about the race of assailants - when they aren't white - was worth mentioning.

Obviously, we don't all enjoy every comment on these boards.
 
nota bene said:
I haven't read yet about either assailant having a dispute with their victim.

But if we're going to overgeneralize, it usually isn't girls who go out and shoot as many innocent people as they can before taking their own lives either. ;)
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The article clearly stated the motive for the attempted murder was about some sort of "fictional" character being real or not and that's why the girl was stabbed...

Basically the two would be murderers had a difficult time telling the difference between TV and reality.
 
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tres borrachos said:
Thank you for sharing your opinion, however difficult it was to read. I disagree.

No, when I was 12, there weren't 2 12 year old girls stabbing another 12 year old girl because of a website. This story isn't about someone beating someone up.
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were their any that murdered for some other reason is this the 1st time kids have murdered others in are history?

pretty sure most people are not for this kind of behavior and a vast majority of 12 year old girls don't kill their friends

so what has society done that's so bad?
 
Mr.Nick said:
They'll be locked up until they're 18 or 21.
a) I've read a lot of news stories about little girls or young girls murdering people and what I have noticed is that they do it for the most trivial reasons.
b) When guys get in disputes or disagreements they generally just fight it out toe to toe, yet girls seem to get passive and plot to murder. The differences on how females handle disputes and how males handle disputes baffles me.
c) Males may be brutes and settle our differences in a barbaric way but females get downright sadistic when they get pissed off, they're also a hell of a lot more cruel than males...
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a) Proof? Evidence? Check these stats out: Murder Offenders by Age, Sex, and Race, 2010 and Murder Offenders by Age, Sex, and Race, 2011 and Homicide Trends in the United States, 1980-2008

b) I'd be baffled too if I believed in things that don't exist.

c) Opinion....highly subjective.
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tres borrachos said:
Thank you for sharing your opinion, however difficult it was to read. I disagree.

No, when I was 12, there weren't 2 12 year old girls stabbing another 12 year old girl because of a website. This story isn't about someone beating someone up.
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While of course it wouldn't have been about websites (since those are relatively new) yes, kids have killing other kids well before now

Some examples

The Unthinkable — Children Who Kill and What Motivates Them -- The Crime Library — The Unthinkable — Crime Library

Jesse Pomeroy was fourteen when he was arrested in 1874 for the sadistic murder of a four-year-old boy. He was quickly dubbed "The Boston Boy Fiend." His rampage had begun three years earlier with the sexual torture of seven other boys. For those crimes Pomeroy was sentenced to reform school, but then he was released early. Not long afterward he mutilated and killed a 10-year-old girl who came into his mother's store. A month later, he snatched four-year-old Horace Mullen. He took Horace to a swamp outside town and slashed him so savagely with a knife that he nearly decapitated the child.
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Mary Flora Bell wanted to "hurt" someone. She was an angry child, the product of an unsettled home in which chronic abuse was the norm. She had a friend, Nora Bell, and they often did things together. When Mary was eleven, she and Nora lured a boy to the top of an air raid shelter. When he fell and was injured, it was thought to be an accident. Two weeks later, the corpse of four-year-old Martin Brown was found, another assumed accident. Then police discovered notes that indicated that someone was taking responsibility---two people, in fact, who called themselves "Fanny and Faggot." Then Mary showed up at Martin's home so she could "see him in his coffin." Two months passed and another local toddler, three-year-old Brian Howe, turned up missing. When Mary suggested that he might be playing on a certain pile of concrete, searchers looked where she indicated and found his body. He'd been strangled and his legs and stomach had been cut with a razor and scissors. The medical examiner believed it to be the handiwork of a child.

Mary and Norma were brought in; Mary made up a story but Norma described watching Mary kill the boy. They went to trial in 1968 in England, where Mary was convicted of two counts of manslaughter. People called her "evil" and a "bad seed," in part because she seemed so indifferent to the proceedings against her. A court psychiatrist said that she was manipulative and dangerous.
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paddymcdougall said:
While of course it wouldn't have been about websites (since those are relatively new) yes, kids have killing other kids well before now

Some examples

The Unthinkable — Children Who Kill and What Motivates Them -- The Crime Library — The Unthinkable — Crime Library
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Nobody said kids never killed kids before. Your original post likened 12 year old girls stabbing other 12 year old girls because of what they read on a website with 12 year olds beating each other up.
 
This one really hit home for me...seeing as I recently moved to Waukesha. This happened LESS THAN 3 BLOCKS FROM MY HOME!
 
tres borrachos said:
Nobody said kids never killed kids before. Your original post likened 12 year old girls stabbing other 12 year old girls because of what they read on a website with 12 year olds beating each other up.
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Apologize if my choice of words offended you, but I was trying to point out that your comment that "This is just an indication of how badly our society has fallen." is incorrect.

Kids beating each other up can lead to death just as a knife can. But that wasn't my point - my point is that kids have killed each other in the past and that our society hasn't "fallen".
 
paddymcdougall said:
Apologize if my choice of words offended you, but I was trying to point out that your comment that "This is just an indication of how badly our society has fallen." is incorrect.

Kids beating each other up can lead to death just as a knife can. But that wasn't my point - my point is that kids have killed each other in the past and that our society hasn't "fallen".
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And I disagree that society has not fallen. You didn't offend me. I differ with your opinion.
 
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