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Seven States Running Out of Water

Let me tell you something, I've been to Arizona tons of times, and there is plenty of water being wasted pretending a desert can be made into Virginia Piedmont without serious consequences.

One biggie these days is salt accumulation. More and more water is needed to drive the salts back down only to have evaporation draw them back up.

But for some, as long as the 19th hole has ice they are content... :peace
I have an uncle who retired in Sun City West. Visited him once there before he passed. His backyard was green, as it got some on the moisture from the golf course. The other side of his back yard was a golf course.
 
I see fresh water as a much more pressing problem than CO2.
We are using up the aquifers, faster that they are recharging.
Sooner or later we will not be able to sustain our crops.

That's the big gorilla in the room that people are ignoring. What happens when the aquifers under California's Central Valley run dry, as sooner or later they will? How about the Ogalalla Aquifer under the Mid West?

Maybe the drought will be a blessing in disguise, as people begin to look at the long term and the consequences of not addressing the water issue.

Or, maybe not. Let's go out to that nice, green golf course, play a round and forget about such trivia as water.
 
That's the big gorilla in the room that people are ignoring. What happens when the aquifers under California's Central Valley run dry, as sooner or later they will? How about the Ogalalla Aquifer under the Mid West?

Maybe the drought will be a blessing in disguise, as people begin to look at the long term and the consequences of not addressing the water issue.

Or, maybe not. Let's go out to that nice, green golf course, play a round and forget about such trivia as water.
I'm afraid one day, California will invade Oregon.
 
I'm afraid one day, California will invade Oregon.

Burning fossil fuels creates water vapor. I suggest we increase the speed limits on all of our roads. :lol:
 
If you ask the Oregonians, it already is.
We started getting californicated in the 70's. We still aren't as bad as they are, though Portlandia is the capitol of the North-Left coast...
 
We started getting californicated in the 70's. We still aren't as bad as they are, though Portlandia is the capitol of the North-Left coast...

So, send your water south, and more Californians will stay home and leave you alone. It's a win-win for both states.
 
So, send your water south, and more Californians will stay home and leave you alone. It's a win-win for both states.

You say that tongue in cheek, but we have and they don't. In fact during the 80s and 90s they screwed our home and property prices all to hell.
 
So, send your water south, and more Californians will stay home and leave you alone. It's a win-win for both states.
No thanks. If a war comes, I will fight them.

I prefer Salmon or Californians.
 
You say that tongue in cheek, but we have and they don't. In fact during the 80s and 90s they screwed our home and property prices all to hell.
Yep. So many things screwed up my migrating Californians.

I wish we pulled the plug on the DC Intertie so our electric rates could go back down. Stopping the flow of the 3.1 giga-watts would sure change our supply and demand price.
 
That's the big gorilla in the room that people are ignoring. What happens when the aquifers under California's Central Valley run dry, as sooner or later they will? How about the Ogalalla Aquifer under the Mid West?

Maybe the drought will be a blessing in disguise, as people begin to look at the long term and the consequences of not addressing the water issue.

Or, maybe not. Let's go out to that nice, green golf course, play a round and forget about such trivia as water.

Maybe.
I think most people are oblivious--really--to the problem.
They hear about it, but it's just background noise.
Until they get beaten over the head with a big stick, they don't care.
Another dry year could be that big stick.
 
We started getting californicated in the 70's. .

I went to college in Oregon.
Beautiful state but way, way too cold.
I couldn't wait to graduate and head south.
But, maybe with global warming and all....things are warming up.
I've got some equity, retirement approaching.....maybe I'll be back.;)
 
I have an uncle who retired in Sun City West. Visited him once there before he passed. His backyard was green, as it got some on the moisture from the golf course. The other side of his back yard was a golf course.

The point you are trying to make with this undated one-off observation is????

Ahhh besides you have been to Arizona once, seen your uncle once after he retired?
 
The point you are trying to make with this undated one-off observation is????

Ahhh besides you have been to Arizona once, seen your uncle once after he retired?
Actually I've been to arizona several times. lived there for two years, and traveled several times for work one to four weeks at a time.

He had the luxury of not spending a high price watering a back yard there.
 
I went to college in Oregon.
Beautiful state but way, way too cold.
I couldn't wait to graduate and head south.
But, maybe with global warming and all....things are warming up.
I've got some equity, retirement approaching.....maybe I'll be back.;)
The peak of our warming here was about 2002. Our summers were real nice, but getting wet again.

We don't tan, we rust...
 
We don't tan, we rust...

Yeah, when I was there, the college recruiters referred to Oregon's (Corvallis) weather as a "mild Mediterranean climate".
BS.
Freezing rain and humid summers.
We could flee to the coast in the summer, but winter was rough.
 
I went to college in Oregon.
Beautiful state but way, way too cold.
I couldn't wait to graduate and head south.
But, maybe with global warming and all....things are warming up.
I've got some equity, retirement approaching.....maybe I'll be back.;)

Glad to hear it, that's how it should be. The weather here is perfect in my estimation. There's a reason they call California the Golden State. That's the color of the dead grasses that died from the heat and lack of water.
 
That's the color of the dead grasses that died from the heat and lack of water.

Technically, the grass is only golden for a couple months.
Later, as the grass desiccates, it turns gray....kinda like Arizona.
I guess Golden State sounds a lot better than Gray State.
 
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Since it takes millions of years for organic matter to turn into oil, I'd say offhand that we're over using it.

There was an attempt to speed up mother nature by making oil from turkey guts, but the plant went out of business.

Not because the process didn't work but because the EROEI wasn't sufficient.
And actually, they tried a wide variety of recipes, from turkey guts to broken up pieces of plastic computer monitor cases.
The anaerobic depolymerization process employed by Changing World Technologies was trumpeted as the newest in a long line of
ideas centered around anaerobic thermal depolymerization, but both the vagaries and limitations of Newton's laws on thermodynamics
kept raining on their parade because optimistic projections failed to account for piddling details like cost of raw stock transportation and the energy
required to chomp all that plastic and meat renderings into sufficiently small pieces.

In the end, when considering any trash to fuel or trash to energy scheme you can't lose sight of the fact that you're dealing with trash
and trash takes up space, and trash weighs something but the energy content of trash is either locked up in molecular bonds which
are difficult to break or there isn't enough to make it worth dealing with...which is why it's trash.
The turkey guts were easier to get because CWT was close by a turkey rendering plant.
The plastics were the sticking point.

Now, if your main goal is to simply get rid of trash, you locate next to a dump, and you also get the extra energy input from methane in the dump, which can possibly help power your depoly process. Vernon and Commerce, California have had a trash to energy plant for twenty five years but their main goal is to reduce landfill use. The energy output is just a bonus but not really a net energy plus.
It powers about 20 thousand homes but repeatedly runs into emissions issues.
 
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Maybe.
I think most people are oblivious--really--to the problem.
They hear about it, but it's just background noise.
Until they get beaten over the head with a big stick, they don't care.
Another dry year could be that big stick.

Yes, they're oblivious, particularly the city dwellers who dominate politics in the state of California. Maybe when they start paying ten bucks for a gallon of milk and similar prices fro fruits and vegetables, they might sit up and take notice.

And, maybe not. They'll more likely just blame the evil big agriculture for the price increases.
 
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