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Seven States Running Out of Water

Not so. Though they have been around since the 60s the waterless toilets, at the time propane based, were never advertised to gain common acceptance. Now, they run on propane/natural gas or electric. Cost is about 28 cents a "flush" and the new varieties are fully self contained. Just empty the sterile ash once a week. Once again, no water usage, no sewerage needed.

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I'd have to wonder just what burning (bleep!) inside the house must smell like.

I have seen waterless urinals in the national parks and some rest stops. They seem to work fine.
 
Please spare me the faux-macho "you're an alarmist" claim.
No one is going to go thirsty anytime soon, but this is a serious issue already affecting food prices nationwide.
Summer, oft the driest season is approaching in many places, it could get worse. It could go on for years more in some of these areas too.
This also is a big issue in the arid states viability.
Texas is booming with plenty of oil but little water.

Seven states running out of water
Alexander E.M. Hess and Thomas C. Frohlich
USA Today via 24/7 Wall St.
6:30 a.m. EDT June 1, 2014
Seven states running out of water

The ironic part is that there is a gigantic aquifer about the size of the Great Lakes underneath these states, that every geologist knows about, yet it's never been tapped (at least to my knowledge it hasn't).

I don't know exactly how deep it is underground but if they dig deep enough they will find plenty of water.

Truth is - there is plenty of water if you know how to find it.
 
The ironic part is that there is a gigantic aquifer about the size of the Great Lakes underneath these states, that every geologist knows about, yet it's never been tapped (at least to my knowledge it hasn't).

I don't know exactly how deep it is underground but if they dig deep enough they will find plenty of water.

Truth is - there is plenty of water if you know how to find it.
The Great Plains states have the Ogallala Aquifer which Is tapped and slowly going down. I believe that's what you're referring to.
But it's very shallow in the places that need it most.
It's use those states (TX/NM) would be very limited.
It takes Millenia to replenish as well
It's Non-existent in California, Nevada, Arizona.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ogallala_Aquifer


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The Great Plains states have the Ogllala Aquifer which Is tapped and slowly going down.
But it's very shallow in the places that need it most.
It's use those states would be very limited.
It's Non-existent in California, Nevada, Arizona.

Ogallala Aquifer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


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The fact California borders the ocean is even more ironic, of course they would have to remove the salt but that would take energy and that is the last thing those nuts want to use. They value not allegedly polluting over having water.

If you ask me - I think some of these politicians LOVE having these "crisis'" because they can be exploited for their own agenda.

The best part is they could actually take ocean water, boil it, create steam hence water and create energy at the same time.

What a bunch of dummies.
 
Immense Freshwater Reserves Discovered Beneath Ocean Floor | TIME.com

“The volume of this water resource is a hundred times greater than the amount we’ve extracted from the Earth’s sub-surface in the past century since 1900,”

TRANSLATION: "Attention Exxon, Shell, BP et al. There is a gigantic system of freshwater aquifers under the ocean floor and you should probably frack the Hell out of them so that they will be unusable. Don't worry about us, we can drink oil"
 
Immense Freshwater Reserves Discovered Beneath Ocean Floor | TIME.com

TRANSLATION: "Attention Exxon, Shell, BP et al. There is a gigantic system of freshwater aquifers under the ocean floor and you should probably frack the Hell out of them so that they will be unusable. Don't worry about us, we can drink oil"
If you want to pay $50 (EDIT: maybe much less, $20) a barrel for water/wholesale, that's an option.
At least they wouldn't have to worry about spills though!

I wasn't even aware of that resource tho. Thanks.
 
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Immense Freshwater Reserves Discovered Beneath Ocean Floor | TIME.com



TRANSLATION: "Attention Exxon, Shell, BP et al. There is a gigantic system of freshwater aquifers under the ocean floor and you should probably frack the Hell out of them so that they will be unusable. Don't worry about us, we can drink oil"

Get off the "big business" hate...

You know what the largest and wealthiest business in the world is? the US government - yet folks like you find our government swell.
 
Get off the "big business" hate...

You know what the largest and wealthiest business in the world is? the US government - yet folks like you find our government swell.

It has nothing to do with hatred of big business, and everything to do with the track record of oil and gas exploration companies WRT to WATER so far.
The trouble with facts is that they remain true whether you believe them or not.
 
By the way...Mister Galt, please do the rest of the world a huge favor and make good on your threats.
The fact that anyone subscribes to the belief that they are irreplaceable is laughable.
Do you people honestly believe there wouldn't be a massive inrush of talent and creativity to fill the vacuum created
by your exit?

Find an impoverished nation to invade and create that libertarian paradise gulch you keep talking about, please.

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It has nothing to do with hatred of big business, and everything to do with the track record of oil and gas exploration companies WRT to WATER so far.
The trouble with facts is that they remain true whether you believe them or not.

Facts?

The only fact is that some hate people with money and big business for whatever reason - usually it's envy rather than judge a business or an individual on a rational level.

For example I don't see progressives bashing the millionaire Al Gore or Soros, yet they have no problem bashing anyone and any business in which they don't know their political affiliation, so politics as well plays a role in how some judge businesses and those with money.

Quite frankly I'm getting sick of it....

As far as fracking - I really don't give a ****, because if a progressive was fracking NO progressive would give a ****.

Now, if you want food, clothing, water, computers, TV, internet and all the luxuries you're accustom to - you need ENERGY, and for some strange reason progressives don't comprehend that idea. Apparently "liberals" er progressives believe all this **** grows on trees. There is not ONE viable and efficient source of energy that progressives support.

So until we can find a viable alternative or "green" source of energy we're going to need oil, coal and nuclear energy to keep civilization going.

Now, I don't really give a **** if progressives like it or not because I like my internet and my electronics more than I like them.

Also, who gives a **** about oil anyways? do you actually believe oil is the life blood of the earth or something? in reality all oil is - is decomposed organic material, and theoretically it's a renewable resource. Also, we have only tapped 10% of the oil.
 
You are an optimist.
And I hope you're right.

And perhaps the solution is on the ag side. Maybe more "targeted" watering. Drip, hydro, etc.

Up to 80% less water for some crops/methods.
 
I am in Texas, and it's been bad for several years now, especially last summer and now. I live about 15 miles from a lake, and when I drive over the bridge going into town for the past few months, there are sand bars visible everywhere. It's pitiful. It's not the worst drought Texas had had, but it's the worst I've seen since I lived here.

I am glad I don't live in Texas.
 
And perhaps the solution is on the ag side. Maybe more "targeted" watering. Drip, hydro, etc.

Up to 80% less water for some crops/methods.

Oh, they do that.
Drip irrigation is the norm around here. It is not a complete solution because (1) there still isn't enough water, and (2) the soil still needs an occasional flush to get rid of the salts that are left behind when drip irrigation evaporates.

Drips bring chemicals to the surface of the ground, mostly salt and alkali. That has to be gotten rid of periodically, or the soil becomes worthless.

But, sure, drip is a good idea, and does save water.
 
I'd have to wonder just what burning (bleep!) inside the house must smell like.

I have seen waterless urinals in the national parks and some rest stops. They seem to work fine.

That's why they're vented to the outside. Also why they go through a converter, strips the odor vented out.
 
Facts?

The only fact is that some hate people with money and big business for whatever reason - usually it's envy rather than judge a business or an individual on a rational level.

Oh, where to start...there's so much fun stuff in here!
Well I guess if you're the kind who thinks opinions are the same thing as facts, but I harbor no hatred of wealth as my own economic health is in good standing. So why would I practice self-hatred?

For example I don't see progressives bashing the millionaire Al Gore or Soros, yet they have no problem bashing anyone and any business in which they don't know their political affiliation, so politics as well plays a role in how some judge businesses and those with money.

Quite frankly I'm getting sick of it....

We're all over the map today, aren't we? Al Gore's in the oil business? Soros? Hmmm, maybe he is, could you find a link to that for me please?

As far as fracking - I really don't give a ****, because if a progressive was fracking NO progressive would give a ****.

Here is a fire hydrant ON FIRE - your argument is invalid.
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Now, if you want food, clothing, water, computers, TV, internet and all the luxuries you're accustom to - you need ENERGY, and for some strange reason progressives don't comprehend that idea. Apparently "liberals" er progressives believe all this **** grows on trees. There is not ONE viable and efficient source of energy that progressives support.

Hey I support all forms of energy because I am realistic enough to understand that even petroleum will be here for quite some time to come.
My issue has more to do with the fact that the petroleum business wishes to maintain a monopoly on things like transportation fuel, otherwise we wouldn't be seeing wealthy players doing their level best to kill off alternatives, would we?

We wouldn't have seen BP, Shell and Exxon manipulating oil prices for well over a decade, we wouldn't see further manipulation by speculators aimed at slowing the growth of alternatives. We wouldn't see state after state lining up to pass bills aimed at stopping Tesla direct sales.
Oh wait, isn't that big government stepping in to regulate? Uh ohhh, guess it's okay when it protects established interests like car dealers and oil companies.

So until we can find a viable alternative or "green" source of energy we're going to need oil, coal and nuclear energy to keep civilization going.

You know, the funny thing is, fracking, like all other forms of oil and natgas exploration, CAN be done in a SAFER manner.
I didn't say that there's a 100% safe method, I am saying that there are safer "best practices" and methodologies.
And oil companies would adhere to those best practices if they had to, except that they got a sweetheart deal that exempted them from nearly ALL regulations back around the turn of the millenium, so now individual entities are having to sue them one by one instead, to force them to adopt best practices.
But it's like so many other aspects of big business.
See, I do understand the nature of corporations. They by their very nature cannot HAVE a conscience.
Regulations function as a de facto substitute for a conscience and, while I can name lots of examples of unnecessary regulations, the fact is, some regulations ARE necessary.

Now, I don't really give a **** if progressives like it or not because I like my internet and my electronics more than I like them.

Well, that's good. I wouldn't dare suggest that you step away from your self interests because I know that your mentor would be very upset with you. :lamo Ayn Rand.jpg

Also, who gives a **** about oil anyways?

Uhhhhh....we all do, we don't have much choice in the matter. It's the sole source, or damn close to it, for transportation energy.
That's going to change soon of course. Electric cars are today roughly where the home VCR was in 1972 when Sony gave us the BetaMax, a $3500 playtoy for rich folks. Five years later they were under $499, ten years later they were under a hundred bucks, with better features, performance and mature technology.

do you actually believe oil is the life blood of the earth or something?
As I said above in so many words, it's the lifeblood of modern industrial civilization.

in reality all oil is - is decomposed organic material, and theoretically it's a renewable resource. Also, we have only tapped 10% of the oil.

Whoa, did you just say that oil is "renewable"?
So you're not only a Rand worshipper, you're also a believer in abiogenic oil too? :lamo

Lemme guess, Jerome Corsi in "Black Gold Strangelhold"....amirite?
 
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Well, we should make Dune a required study for all California schools. :mrgreen:
 
I don't know why in areas on the coasts why they don't redesign their plumbing systems so that toilets use salt water instead of fresh water...

IMO, plumbing engineering is completely wrong and outdated.

In theory desalinization units should be placed in every home on the coasts - that way you can use sea water to bathe or for your toilet or even drink.

Hell, even the local water plants could desalinize salt water.

Once again tho it's not in the best interests of certain people to do such a thing.
 
I don't know why in areas on the coasts why they don't redesign their plumbing systems so that toilets use salt water instead of fresh water...

IMO, plumbing engineering is completely wrong and outdated.

In theory desalinization units should be placed in every home on the coasts - that way you can use sea water to bathe or for your toilet or even drink.

Hell, even the local water plants could desalinize salt water.

Once again tho it's not in the best interests of certain people to do such a thing.
Probably because it would require a separate set of pipes for the flushing of toilets, and what else? No one bathes, washes dishes, or anything like that with salt water.
Also because salt water is corrosive and would do considerable damage to any plumbing that wasn't all plastic.
 
I don't know why in areas on the coasts why they don't redesign their plumbing systems so that toilets use salt water instead of fresh water...

Might be because the notion of fecal output from some 20 million souls into the Pacific might be pretty bad for the ocean.
However, the idea of adapting sewage treatment plants into cogeneration facilities is excellent but for some reason no one sees a revenue stream yet, so the idea lays fallow for the time being. Sure would help defray some of the environmental impact of turds though.

IMO, plumbing engineering is completely wrong and outdated.

In theory desalinization units should be placed in every home on the coasts - that way you can use sea water to bathe or for your toilet or even drink.
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You know, I am all for decentralization of things like power wherever possible.
Things like water desal however, are best served by centralized plants, not only because of cost factors but also because the average homeowner has trouble programming their cable box. Imagine them trying to maintain a desal plant.
And a funny thing about seawater, you still have to pipe it in, even if you live close to it.
Plumbing and salt water don't get along.

Hell, even the local water plants could desalinize salt water.

Once again tho it's not in the best interests of certain people to do such a thing.

It's not in the best interests of THIS guy:

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Of course, if oil companies succeed in destroying the quality of most of our aquifers as they're currently doing, that guy might find himself in the catbird seat.
 
here is how they do it in Arizona...
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They actually concede that they live in the desert and landscape their homes accordingly.

Let me tell you something, I've been to Arizona tons of times, and there's plenty of grass being watered. That includes the public common areas. That photo is a half-truth.
 
Let me tell you something, I've been to Arizona tons of times, and there's plenty of grass being watered. That includes the public common areas. That photo is a half-truth.

True that, not everyone has awakened from the dream yet.
The photo does indeed represent something of a half truth, a cultural divide if you will.
Some desert dwellers are in tune, some ain't and don't intend to be.
 
Might be because the notion of fecal output from some 20 million souls into the Pacific might be pretty bad for the ocean.
However, the idea of adapting sewage treatment plants into cogeneration facilities is excellent but for some reason no one sees a revenue stream yet, so the idea lays fallow for the time being. Sure would help defray some of the environmental impact of turds though.

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You know, I am all for decentralization of things like power wherever possible.
Things like water desal however, are best served by centralized plants, not only because of cost factors but also because the average homeowner has trouble programming their cable box. Imagine them trying to maintain a desal plant.
And a funny thing about seawater, you still have to pipe it in, even if you live close to it.
Plumbing and salt water don't get along.



It's not in the best interests of THIS guy:

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Of course, if oil companies succeed in destroying the quality of most of our aquifers as they're currently doing, that guy might find himself in the catbird seat.

How come this isn't in the news? Either they're covering up or (shall we say) you are incorrect. I think we should shut Big Oil down in California and other low water states, and kill all the associated jobs. What do you think?
 
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