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    Re: Seven States Running Out of Water

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Waterless toilets have been around a long time. For some reason, no one wants to go back to them:



    and, as I said before, the state of California uses more water than nature gives us even in wet years. Conservation is all well and good, but, if agriculture is going to continue, water will have to be imported sooner or later, or a practical and inexpensive method of desalinization will have to be developed.

    If not, count on the price of groceries to go through the roof.
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    Re: Seven States Running Out of Water

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    Nice crapper, maybe a good whitewash for the shabby chic look?
    It's what I grew up with until we moved to Sacramento when I was in fourth grade. The Sears catalog served double duty, read and wipe. You don't stay in there long, in the summer when it warm, the smell isn't for the squeamish, and when it's winter, your berries shrink to the size of peas.

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    Re: Seven States Running Out of Water

    Quote Originally Posted by beefheart View Post
    Well, it was 108 here yesterday, and we are looking at temps over 110 degrees for the next few weeks. Water is pretty important here, of course, all the good water goes to the golf courses..crazy.

    I am an avid gardener, but I don't grow a lawn. Plus, we follow the old "if it is yellow, let it mellow, if it's brown, flush it down" rule. Wasting water in a desert is criminal.
    And while you let your toilet hold your urine all the time to save a few gallons a day... Your local desert golf courses use hundreds of gallons of precious water per golfer, per hole.
    How does that make you feel?

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    Re: Seven States Running Out of Water

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    And while you let your toilet hold your urine all the time to save a few gallons a day... Your local desert golf courses use hundreds of gallons of precious water per golfer, per hole.
    How does that make you feel?
    I'll have to say, it used to royally piss me off when I lived there. My Grandpa was using grey water to keep his trees alive while the folks in the South were filling swimming pools and watering golf courses.

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    Re: Seven States Running Out of Water

    Quote Originally Posted by mbig View Post
    Yes, in fact I pointed to thousands of years of SW droughts and mentioned the Early Native American civilizations in that context.

    Actually, no one politicized this until your post. No one even mentioned warming or the more loaded AGW.
    I should have added that disclaimer in my OP as well. The string was NOT meant to be political in any way.

    But what has changed now from the time of the failures of those early Native Americans and the days of Dust Bowl, is the amount of pressure on the resources despite our improved tech.
    How many (relatively new) cities like LA/Las Vegas/Phoenix can be even regionally supported in a 10 yr drought?
    How long is Cyclical? It could be 2/3/10 years or anything in between in some areas or perhaps, if less likely, even more.
    It's been 3+ for some areas already.
    If it lasts even one or two more in some areas, it's going to have huge impact on everyone.
    There's no infrastructure in place to stop regional problems if they continue.
    1000 years ago, Tens of Millions of Northeasterners weren't depending on Intensive agriculture of the Anasazi for their lettuce and other produce.
    My apologies, if the mention of politics and political actions misdirected the discussion you wanted to have.

    That said, you can blame those who seek to have homes in deserts, with pools and nice green grass and you can blame those who seek to live on the ocean, where hurricanes roar periodically. There are enormous untapped areas of the US and Canada where people could easily live and enjoy a great life off the land as it exists and from the weather as it exists, but humans consider themselves above nature and so try to create lifestyles that are not conducive to the land and weather natural to the environment.

    But at their heart, these decisions are also ones that evolve out of politics - development no longer takes place simply because someone occupies a piece of land and sets up home. And politicians and the bureaucrats they control are also the ones who manage the land, or mismanage in the case of areas of the American west where forest fires threatening homes and communities have become almost a monthly occurrence.
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    Re: Seven States Running Out of Water

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    It's what I grew up with until we moved to Sacramento when I was in fourth grade. The Sears catalog served double duty, read and wipe. You don't stay in there long, in the summer when it warm, the smell isn't for the squeamish, and when it's winter, your berries shrink to the size of peas.
    In Illinois, we used corn cobs.

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    Re: Seven States Running Out of Water

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    And while you let your toilet hold your urine all the time to save a few gallons a day... Your local desert golf courses use hundreds of gallons of precious water per golfer, per hole.
    How does that make you feel?
    Not too pleased, it is terrible waste. We have more golf courses per capita in my county than anywhere else. Crazy.
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    Re: Seven States Running Out of Water

    Quote Originally Posted by radioman View Post
    The smart-ass side of me wants to say..."Let 'em drink oil"...but given my state's water issues, along with my
    relentlessly charming personality, I won't.

    Yeah, big problems.
    I think de-salinization plants will be necessary.
    The water produced will be more expensive, but we have to have it.
    Food prices will rise most certainly.
    Pray for rain.
    Here's something that deserves some very serious thought and some serious funding.
    Conventional desalination plants might just now be obsolete.

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    I don't have time for either, and you're probably on my IGNORE list.

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    Re: Seven States Running Out of Water

    Quote Originally Posted by beefheart View Post
    Not too pleased, it is terrible waste. We have more golf courses per capita in my county than anywhere else. Crazy.
    No ... Crazy would be dancing the macarena at a funeral...
    What you are describing is insanity.
    The wealthy elite are literally pissing on you so they can pretend to be playing their silly game in Scotland.

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    Re: Seven States Running Out of Water

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    The funny thing about this statement is that the President, liberals and Democrats actually believe they CAN control the weather... some of us are more skeptical.
    Not so sure their message is that we can control the weather. More like, as long as we keep dumping crap in the water, and poison into the air, the worse it's gonna get. Funny thing is, there are some people who would disagree with that.

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