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    Re: Seven States Running Out of Water

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Waterless toilets have been around a long time. For some reason, no one wants to go back to them:



    and, as I said before, the state of California uses more water than nature gives us even in wet years. Conservation is all well and good, but, if agriculture is going to continue, water will have to be imported sooner or later, or a practical and inexpensive method of desalinization will have to be developed.

    If not, count on the price of groceries to go through the roof.
    Not so. Though they have been around since the 60s the waterless toilets, at the time propane based, were never advertised to gain common acceptance. Now, they run on propane/natural gas or electric. Cost is about 28 cents a "flush" and the new varieties are fully self contained. Just empty the sterile ash once a week. Once again, no water usage, no sewerage needed.


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    Re: Seven States Running Out of Water

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    If these seven states got rid of their golf courses their water shortages would be greatly mitigated.
    Golf courses are the single greatest waste of water on the planet.
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    Attempting to turn areas in the desert south west into the verdant green hills of Scotland during a water shortage is nothing short of insane.
    Vegas has to have those green golf courses for this visiting from Saudi Arabia though.

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    Re: Seven States Running Out of Water

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    The biggest obstacle is cost. It might work for domestic use, but not for agriculture, at least not unless a much less expensive way can be found to accomplish it.
    When it comes to agriculture the biggest obstacle to production is there is no large body of salty water nearby. It is a lack of timely rains when the crops need it. 2 feet of snow mean far less than 2 inches of rain in July when it comes to cotton, soybeans, and corn. A cold, dry winter followed by poor spring rains and a late freeze is a disaster in the winter wheat belt.

    Irrigation is impractical for the vast majority of acres producing wheat, corn, beef, cotton and soybeans. Roughly 11% of cropland- non vegetable- is irrigated. Huge amounts of water is used in agriculture but that is dwarfed by the usage in areas that have sidewalks and pizza delivery.

    Climate change means a lot more than a few degrees of air temp change... it means the end of rain cycles we rely on for the 100s of millions of dryland crop acres we rely on. It perversely means millions of other acres are delayed in planting due to late freezes and torrential rains, then yields cut short due to early frosts. Once a killing frost hits it doesn't matter if there is a month more of warm weather.

    High tech MAY keep the tap water flowing along the coasts, but it won't stop West Texas and Western Oklahoma turning into Arizona. We need rain, good old fashion 1.0 legacy systems wet...

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    Re: Seven States Running Out of Water

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    That only works if you don't believe that this is part of a longer term trend in increased water requirement.
    Actually, no. Not only do you free up the water it takes for the flushing, but sewerage treatment takes a ton of water, you free that up as well. It could be done right now and mass production would bring the cost of the units way down (they currently cost what the expensive flush varieties do).

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    Re: Seven States Running Out of Water

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Not so. Though they have been around since the 60s the waterless toilets, at the time propane based, were never advertised to gain common acceptance. Now, they run on propane/natural gas or electric. Cost is about 28 cents a "flush" and the new varieties are fully self contained. Just empty the sterile ash once a week. Once again, no water usage, no sewerage needed.

    I can imagine if one of those propane ones is defective and it explodes while youre taking a dump... might not be pretty.

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    Re: Seven States Running Out of Water

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    I can imagine if one of those propane ones is defective and it explodes while youre taking a dump... might not be pretty.
    No more than your oven or your water heater, or in some places your refrigerator. They are vented anyway.

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    Re: Seven States Running Out of Water

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Here in the Houston area it was bad for several years, but thankfully, we are out of drought now. Charlie Fenn, who I used to play bass for in a Country and Western band, was right in the middle of the Dyer Mills wildfire, which broke out near the site of the Texas Renaissance Festival. The flames came right to his door, but his house was spared. His sister's house, next door, burned down. Today I play for Edison Freeman. During the wildfires, he was featured on channel 13 in an interview, in which he said he was not going to evacuate, and that wild horses couldn't drag him from his home. A little later, the cameras showed DPS escorting him off his property, after they got a court order to force him out. Thankfully, his home was spared too. Our band did a number of benefits to raise money to help people rebuild. All the rain in Southeast Texas this year finally ended the drought, and Lake Conroe, which was turning into a giant mud puddle at one time, is now full again.

    I have a running joke with Wolff DeLong, who was Gene Kelton's bass player before Gene was killed in an accident. Wolff does rain dances, and some say it was his rain dance that ended the Dyer Mills wildfire. So whenever it floods in Houston, I send him a PM on Facebook, telling him he can stop any time now. LOL.
    Why not write a song about all that?
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    Re: Seven States Running Out of Water

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    I can imagine if one of those propane ones is defective and it explodes while youre taking a dump... might not be pretty.
    So you drop your load through a torch?
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    Re: Seven States Running Out of Water

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    So you drop your load through a torch?
    Your load drops into a chamber and is incinerated there. Any gases are vented to the outside after running through a catalytic converter that removes harmful gases and smells.

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    Re: Seven States Running Out of Water

    Well, it was 108 here yesterday, and we are looking at temps over 110 degrees for the next few weeks. Water is pretty important here, of course, all the good water goes to the golf courses..crazy.

    I am an avid gardener, but I don't grow a lawn. Plus, we follow the old "if it is yellow, let it mellow, if it's brown, flush it down" rule. Wasting water in a desert is criminal.
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