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    Re: Seven States Running Out of Water

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    That's the color of the dead grasses that died from the heat and lack of water.
    Technically, the grass is only golden for a couple months.
    Later, as the grass desiccates, it turns gray....kinda like Arizona.
    I guess Golden State sounds a lot better than Gray State.
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    Re: Seven States Running Out of Water

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    Good point.
    Not all the effects of GW are catastrophic.
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    Re: Seven States Running Out of Water

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Since it takes millions of years for organic matter to turn into oil, I'd say offhand that we're over using it.

    There was an attempt to speed up mother nature by making oil from turkey guts, but the plant went out of business.
    Not because the process didn't work but because the EROEI wasn't sufficient.
    And actually, they tried a wide variety of recipes, from turkey guts to broken up pieces of plastic computer monitor cases.
    The anaerobic depolymerization process employed by Changing World Technologies was trumpeted as the newest in a long line of
    ideas centered around anaerobic thermal depolymerization, but both the vagaries and limitations of Newton's laws on thermodynamics
    kept raining on their parade because optimistic projections failed to account for piddling details like cost of raw stock transportation and the energy
    required to chomp all that plastic and meat renderings into sufficiently small pieces.

    In the end, when considering any trash to fuel or trash to energy scheme you can't lose sight of the fact that you're dealing with trash
    and trash takes up space, and trash weighs something but the energy content of trash is either locked up in molecular bonds which
    are difficult to break or there isn't enough to make it worth dealing with...which is why it's trash.
    The turkey guts were easier to get because CWT was close by a turkey rendering plant.
    The plastics were the sticking point.

    Now, if your main goal is to simply get rid of trash, you locate next to a dump, and you also get the extra energy input from methane in the dump, which can possibly help power your depoly process. Vernon and Commerce, California have had a trash to energy plant for twenty five years but their main goal is to reduce landfill use. The energy output is just a bonus but not really a net energy plus.
    It powers about 20 thousand homes but repeatedly runs into emissions issues.
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    Re: Seven States Running Out of Water

    Quote Originally Posted by radioman View Post
    Maybe.
    I think most people are oblivious--really--to the problem.
    They hear about it, but it's just background noise.
    Until they get beaten over the head with a big stick, they don't care.
    Another dry year could be that big stick.
    Yes, they're oblivious, particularly the city dwellers who dominate politics in the state of California. Maybe when they start paying ten bucks for a gallon of milk and similar prices fro fruits and vegetables, they might sit up and take notice.

    And, maybe not. They'll more likely just blame the evil big agriculture for the price increases.
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    Re: Seven States Running Out of Water

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    The peak of our warming here was about 2002. Our summers were real nice, but getting wet again.

    We don't tan, we rust...
    You're talking western Oregon. I just came back from a trip to Eastern Oregon. Now, that's a different world.
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    Re: Seven States Running Out of Water

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    You're talking western Oregon. I just came back from a trip to Eastern Oregon. Now, that's a different world.
    Oh yes.

    Get on the east side of the mountains, and it seldom ever rains. Nice and hot also. When I lived in The Dalles, I had 122 F in my back yard one year, in the shade. The official temperature is taken at the airport which is in the U-shape of the river, making the reading cooler.

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    Re: Seven States Running Out of Water

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    Oh yes.

    Get on the east side of the mountains, and it seldom ever rains. Nice and hot also. When I lived in The Dalles, I had 122 F in my back yard one year, in the shade. The official temperature is taken at the airport which is in the U-shape of the river, making the reading cooler.
    OK, then, my experience wasn't outside of the norm. I drove into the Dalles one summer evening, rented a motel room, cranked up the AC, and went and got into the pool. I'd never been there before, and haven't been back. It's worse than here!

    Ever hear of the Owyhee River?
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