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    Re: Seven States Running Out of Water

    The second half of the list (it's too long - exceeds site character limit) is here:

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    If I didn't respond to your diatribe, it's possible you may have
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    Re: Seven States Running Out of Water

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Our governments love to waste money on bull**** all the time - they just throw money at anything. Why not use the money they waste on a project that could help millions of people? I mean presently they're rebuilding roads that have nothing wrong with them just to create "union jobs."Also, the project wouldn't even be that difficult - pipes have already been laid, the plumbing system would have to be reworked - but it wouldn't really be that difficult of a job - complex to some extent - sure but not a major job.

    But like I said in a previous post - people like you WANT a crisis because it's something you can bitch about and gives you a reason to point fingers. You don't want a solution because that would destroy your reasons to hate.
    Flushing our toilets with salt water is not a solution.
    And continuing wasteful government spending on projects that won't work is not a solution either.
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    Re: Seven States Running Out of Water

    Quote Originally Posted by mbig View Post
    Please spare me the faux-macho "you're an alarmist" claim.
    No one is going to go thirsty anytime soon, but this is a serious issue already affecting food prices nationwide.
    Summer, oft the driest season is approaching in many places, it could get worse. It could go on for years more in some of these areas too.
    This also is a big issue in the arid states viability.
    Texas is booming with plenty of oil but little water.

    Seven states running out of water
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    Seven states running out of water
    Perhaps we should not have put large populations in desert areas?!

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    Re: Seven States Running Out of Water

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Decomposing matter turns to oil eventually, since we have layers of decomposing matter decomposing that matter will eventually turn to oil.

    Now the real question is - are we overusing oil (or decomposed matter) faster than it can decompose and turn into oil???? that is the question and the answer is yes we are. At the same time tho we have only tapped 10% of our "dinosaur juice" so there is plenty left... But at the same time organic matter is turning into oil as we speak.

    Oil isn't finite.....

    is that a good enough explanation?

    I can't say it's the best, but I think it's certainly blunt. I have no desire to write a thesis on organic decomposition. I suppose I could add a little bit more of substance but why? everyone except for a few knows what I'm talking about.
    Since it takes millions of years for organic matter to turn into oil, I'd say offhand that we're over using it.

    There was an attempt to speed up mother nature by making oil from turkey guts, but the plant went out of business.
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    Re: Seven States Running Out of Water

    Quote Originally Posted by Checkerboard Strangler View Post

    In the beginning of the petroleum era it only took about one barrel of oil's worth of energy to recover over a HUNDRED barrels in most drilling sites.
    Today that figure is closer to an average of about ten or fifteen, maybe twenty on a good day.

    The EROEI of crude oil is what's finite, it is a finite number as far as economics are concerned.
    All of the low hanging fruit was picked a while ago and what remains will continue to become more energy intensive and more expensive
    to explore for, to extract, to refine and to distribute.

    That's not from some genius in the oil industry, it's basic Petroleum 101.
    You might have noticed that my avatar is an amusing picture of a V-8 engine with arms on it.
    That should clue you in on the fact that I am not some hippie communist oil hater.
    I simply don't see much in the way of petroleum's assured future as a monopoly commodity, that's all.
    It will continue to be around for quite some time but as the EROEI decreases, other forms of energy will become more practical.

    And, you might know this or you might not, but the price we pay at the pump isn't the real price either.
    You'd be shocked to know what the real figure is.
    You bring up valid points, all of which point to man made hydrocarbon fuels,
    Fueling the Fleet, Navy Looks to the Seas - U.S. Naval Research Laboratory
    Audi opens 6 MW power-to-gas facility: pv-magazine
    The cost of using organic oil as the feedstock for refineries will eventually exceed the cost
    of the refinery making their own feedstock from water, air, and energy.
    From there the refining and distribution infrastructure is already in place.
    Organic oil will still have many uses, like plastics and medicine, just not fuel.
    The man made fuels can be carbon neutral.
    It may help to think of the hydrocarbons as a better battery, that we are already set up to use.
    Surplus solar electricity is sold at very low rates (In Texas $.0192/Kwh)
    The refineries could offer a higher rate.

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    Re: Seven States Running Out of Water

    Quote Originally Posted by beefheart View Post
    Well, it was 108 here yesterday, and we are looking at temps over 110 degrees for the next few weeks. Water is pretty important here, of course, all the good water goes to the golf courses..crazy. I am an avid gardener, but I don't grow a lawn. Plus, we follow the old "if it is yellow, let it mellow, if it's brown, flush it down" rule. Wasting water in a desert is criminal.
    Today should be our first 100* day here in SW OK. Between a late freeze and low rainfall the wheat crop is bad, now early heat could hurt our cattle numbers as we need rain to run cattle on pasture, ponds are mud holes or dry, hauling water. Got to stay positive but at times I wonder, If there is a God, why is She such a bitch at times.....

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    Re: Seven States Running Out of Water

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    We don't have good weather around here, at least not in the summer time. The heat is unbearable at times. On the other hand, there isn't much in the way of winter. But people don't come here to enjoy the dirty air and hot weather. People are here because we have some of the most productive farmland in the country. Now, people do come to the California coast because of the climate. It never gets cold, seldom gets hot, and hardly ever rains. That last one can be a bit of a problem however.
    I was referring to the population shift to AZ, and Texas. Any arable land can be some of the most productive farmland in the world these days. Arizonan desert can be extremely productive- IF it gets water. Most natural soil fertility is long gone. These days if you don't use fertilizer you don't get a profitable crop. Pre-dustbowl Oklahoma wheat averaged 12 bushels an acre, now the norm is 35 and the soil certainly didn't get any better...

    But back to my point, in areas of very limited rainfall trying to pretend man can reshape the arid landscape to look like Lancaster Pa. is insane, but 'we' have been attempting that for decades.

    Those folks who think if climate change is real man will simply adapt are clueless just how much of the food that hits their table require the climate we have, not a new more extreme one. Floods in Iowa are as bad as droughts in the rolling southern plains. Early and late freezes are just annoying to an office worker, a disaster to crops.

    man may adapt, his food not so much...Soylent Green- IS PEOPLE!!!!!

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    Re: Seven States Running Out of Water

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Let me tell you something, I've been to Arizona tons of times, and there's plenty of grass being watered. That includes the public common areas. That photo is a half-truth.
    Let me tell you something, I've been to Arizona tons of times, and there is plenty of water being wasted pretending a desert can be made into Virginia Piedmont without serious consequences.

    One biggie these days is salt accumulation. More and more water is needed to drive the salts back down only to have evaporation draw them back up.

    But for some, as long as the 19th hole has ice they are content...

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    Re: Seven States Running Out of Water

    I see fresh water as a much more pressing problem than CO2.
    We are using up the aquifers, faster that they are recharging.
    Sooner or later we will not be able to sustain our crops.

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    Re: Seven States Running Out of Water

    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
    I see fresh water as a much more pressing problem than CO2.
    We are using up the aquifers, faster that they are recharging.
    Sooner or later we will not be able to sustain our crops.
    Yes, I remember these concerns talked about in the 80's when I lived in Arizona. I forget how many years they predicted they had then. I will simply call it the price people pay for living in such areas. Choose to move elsewhere, or you future water and electric bills may dramatically increase.

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