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    Re: Seven States Running Out of Water

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Once again, don't need desalinization. Besides by the time you build just one very expensive plant the droughts will be over until the next cycle. Just go to waterless toilets. Heck, you'll even save on sewerage.
    The other thing Southern Californians can stop doing is pretending that we have to have lush green lawns.
    Maintained green lawns are a trend that was imported here from the old English country estates and they didn't actually catch on in America
    until the postwar era.

    Now, I can understand if someone in Maryland, Virginia or Kentucky wants a lush green lawn.
    It's not like you really need to do a lot of work to get it watered.

    But the very idea that one has to install an underground SPRINKLER system in SoCal is the first hint you're on a fool's errand.
    What do lawns offer anyway? Looks? SoCal isn't England and we're not living in some country manse.
    And it's a desert. I can't even begin to imagine how much water we waste on effing GRASS, just so that we can pretend we live in
    some grand estate in Europe with rolling green hills and lush foliage.

    The appropriate landscape for SoCal is cactii, decorative rocks, hardy succulent desert plants and flowers, and stone.
    By the way, L.A. DWP is now offering homeowners up to FOUR thousand dollars to rip out your lawn.

    Getting rid of grass is making homeowners' wallets greener - Los Angeles Times

    By not doing so, you're not only wasting water, you're turning down free money.
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    Re: Seven States Running Out of Water

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    Not so sure their message is that we can control the weather. More like, as long as we keep dumping crap in the water, and poison into the air, the worse it's gonna get. Funny thing is, there are some people who would disagree with that.
    Nope, it's totally their message. They point to drought (or tornadoes or hurricanes or blizzards or heat waves and on and on) and then sell CO2 regulation as the cure.
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    Re: Seven States Running Out of Water

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    No ... Crazy would be dancing the macarena at a funeral...
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    Re: Seven States Running Out of Water

    Quote Originally Posted by mbig View Post
    Maybe we'll finally get the controversial Keystone Pipeline, but carrying... Water... South from Canada/Great lakes!
    They've already floated a shorter one from the rainy Northwest to dry California.
    Never, I sincerely hope.
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    Re: Seven States Running Out of Water

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Your load drops into a chamber and is incinerated there. Any gases are vented to the outside after running through a catalytic converter that removes harmful gases and smells.
    That'll cause global warming.
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    Re: Seven States Running Out of Water

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Nope, it's totally their message. They point to drought (or tornadoes or hurricanes or blizzards or heat waves and on and on) and then sell CO2 regulation as the cure.
    And you disagree, of course. All that science, but you know better.

    I am surrounded by wizards and geniuses.

    Must be my lucky day!

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    Re: Seven States Running Out of Water

    Quote Originally Posted by Checkerboard Strangler View Post
    The other thing Southern Californians can stop doing is pretending that we have to have lush green lawns.
    Maintained green lawns are a trend that was imported here from the old English country estates and they didn't actually catch on in America
    until the postwar era.

    Now, I can understand if someone in Maryland, Virginia or Kentucky wants a lush green lawn.
    It's not like you really need to do a lot of work to get it watered.

    But the very idea that one has to install an underground SPRINKLER system in SoCal is the first hint you're on a fool's errand.
    What do lawns offer anyway? Looks? SoCal isn't England and we're not living in some country manse.
    And it's a desert. I can't even begin to imagine how much water we waste on effing GRASS, just so that we can pretend we live in
    some grand estate in Europe with rolling green hills and lush foliage.

    The appropriate landscape for SoCal is cactii, decorative rocks, hardy succulent desert plants and flowers, and stone.
    By the way, L.A. DWP is now offering homeowners up to FOUR thousand dollars to rip out your lawn.

    Getting rid of grass is making homeowners' wallets greener - Los Angeles Times

    By not doing so, you're not only wasting water, you're turning down free money.
    here is how they do it in Arizona...
    large-desertcrestllc-landscape-in-az-01.jpg
    They actually concede that they live in the desert and landscape their homes accordingly.

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    Re: Seven States Running Out of Water

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    And you disagree, of course. All that science, but you know better.

    I am surrounded by wizards and geniuses.

    Must be my lucky day!

    Ah, so you have gone from telling me that Democrats aren't saying they can change the weather to telling me I deny science for being skeptical of the Democrats ability to change the weather.

    To be honest, I expected more of a fight from you before you would collapse into the standard AGW logical fallacies.
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    Re: Seven States Running Out of Water

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Ah, so you have gone from telling me that Democrats aren't saying they can change the weather to telling me I deny science for being skeptical of the Democrats ability to change the weather.

    To be honest, I expected more of a fight from you before you would collapse into the standard AGW logical fallacies.
    I pick my own battles. If I thought it would do any good..........

    I am not one who would go and piss up a rope.

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    Re: Seven States Running Out of Water

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    When it comes to agriculture the biggest obstacle to production is there is no large body of salty water nearby. It is a lack of timely rains when the crops need it. 2 feet of snow mean far less than 2 inches of rain in July when it comes to cotton, soybeans, and corn. A cold, dry winter followed by poor spring rains and a late freeze is a disaster in the winter wheat belt.

    Irrigation is impractical for the vast majority of acres producing wheat, corn, beef, cotton and soybeans. Roughly 11% of cropland- non vegetable- is irrigated. Huge amounts of water is used in agriculture but that is dwarfed by the usage in areas that have sidewalks and pizza delivery.

    Climate change means a lot more than a few degrees of air temp change... it means the end of rain cycles we rely on for the 100s of millions of dryland crop acres we rely on. It perversely means millions of other acres are delayed in planting due to late freezes and torrential rains, then yields cut short due to early frosts. Once a killing frost hits it doesn't matter if there is a month more of warm weather.

    High tech MAY keep the tap water flowing along the coasts, but it won't stop West Texas and Western Oklahoma turning into Arizona. We need rain, good old fashion 1.0 legacy systems wet...
    That may be true where you're from. Here, snow in the mountains is the key to successful crops. It normally doesn't rain from sometime in April until sometime in November, anywhere from 6 to 9 months of the year. Of course, there are variations.

    Rain doesn't help the crops. In fact, when it does rain in September and earlier, which is rare, it can do a lot of damage to the raisins and nuts.

    California depends on snow melting and filling rivers, which in turn fills reservoirs, which in turn fills irrigation canals, which irrigates crops. Without that, there may be a little winter wheat, maybe some seasonal grazing, but not much else.
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