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    Re: Obama administration to announce controversial emissions cap on power plants

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Water isn't carbon dioxide. Don't try to deflect. This thread is about carbon dioxide, not your silly conspiracy theories about liberals trying to control your drinking water.
    You're warning of crop failures. Are you equally concerned about crop failures because the government shut off water to farms in California?
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    Re: Obama administration to announce controversial emissions cap on power plants

    Quote Originally Posted by Verax View Post
    Climate science has this all pegged. There is no question this rapid warming is much, much too fast and the way to slow it down is by reducing carbon emissions. Every molecule of extra carbon we release into the atmosphere adds to the problem. Cutting the incredibly out of historical balance carbon level is the right first step regardless of any pinpoint exact values you would want to conjure up.
    They have it pegged? Why do they have to rig the research if they have it pegged?
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    Re: Obama administration to announce controversial emissions cap on power plants

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    If reduced crop yields from a changing climate put human lives at risk, how much economic damage are you willing to accept?
    Tha argument goes both ways.
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    Re: Obama administration to announce controversial emissions cap on power plants

    Quote Originally Posted by Verax View Post
    Climate science has this all pegged. There is no question this rapid warming is much, much too fast and the way to slow it down is by reducing carbon emissions. Every molecule of extra carbon we release into the atmosphere adds to the problem. Cutting the incredibly out of historical balance carbon level is the right first step regardless of any pinpoint exact values you would want to conjure up.
    The climate record doesn't have the resolution to compare current trends to any prior trends.
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    Re: Obama administration to announce controversial emissions cap on power plants

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    But, let's not regulate it to the point where the economy suffers.
    We can likely do it with minimal impact. The latest estimates show it is surprisingly cheap, especially compared to the consequences.

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    Re: Obama administration to announce controversial emissions cap on power plants

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    They have it pegged? Why do they have to rig the research if they have it pegged?
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    The climate record doesn't have the resolution to compare current trends to any prior trends.
    If you listen to right-wing sources this is "true". If you listen to mainstream science this is false. I'm not going to argue about who is telling the truth.

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    Re: Obama administration to announce controversial emissions cap on power plants

    Quote Originally Posted by Verax View Post
    We can likely do it with minimal impact. The latest estimates show it is surprisingly cheap, especially compared to the consequences.
    Eveyone's light bill is going up 80%. That ain't cheap!

    I can't see damn near doubling peoples's light bills based on faked research as being a great idea.
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    Re: Obama administration to announce controversial emissions cap on power plants

    Quote Originally Posted by Verax View Post
    If you listen to right-wing sources this is "true". If you listen to mainstream science this is false. I'm not going to argue about who is telling the truth.
    There's no doubt about who's lying...lol!

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    Re: Obama administration to announce controversial emissions cap on power plants

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    You answered your own question.
    Did I?

    Is water vapor also a pollutant then?
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    Re: Obama administration to announce controversial emissions cap on power plants

    Quote Originally Posted by Verax View Post
    Thinking minds huh? Do thinking minds also question the idea that all the scientists in the world are part of a global hoax to steal money in a socialist plot? Sounds kind of silly doesn't it? Seems kind of unlikely doesn't it? Seems like the logistics of such a thing would be almost impossible wouldn't it?

    Throughout history there have been hundreds if not thousands of examples of the public rejecting the findings of scientists because it is convenient. Scientists have been persecuted for this for centuries. It took twenty years for society to start to take action and stop putting lead in gasoline from the time it was discovered it was a terrible pollutant. Look into how the fossil fuel industry behaved in that instance, then ask yourself if they might do something like that again, with global warming.

    How many times have scientists been caught falsifying research on a grand scale to try and manipulate the public into a financial trap? I can't think of a single time.

    Now tell me, what would thinking minds find to be the more likely scenario?
    Oh please, More than once those scientists "allied" with the IPCC have been caught falsifying data. They have been caught citing fake data to make the case that global warming is accelerating, they in their own emails proved they have engaged in covering up/ hiding their own data flaws. But what these yahoos claim to be the truth even with all its flaws and falsifying data, ends up to be the standard for folks like those working at our EPA who are responsible for all these massive regulations about to be shoved on us. Now if this standard is sufficient for you, then why have standards at all?

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