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    Re: Obama administration to announce controversial emissions cap on power plants

    Quote Originally Posted by Verax View Post
    Yes, that way all the plants die which is the ultimate goal of the Nazi Progressive movement.
    Those catastrophes happen when you start thinking you know what knobs to turn in the environment.

    Or we could regulate it to avoid excessive levels and the negative consequences that come with it.
    What level is excessive? What should the climate be? We don't know enough about the climate to even accurately guess what it will be with all the data available to us. Any effort we take on such a damn fool endeavor will be plagued by unintended consequences.
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    Re: Obama administration to announce controversial emissions cap on power plants

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Doesn't Congress get to rule on this new proposal, or are they too busy sniping at each other to even debate it?
    The EPA doesn't answer to Congress.
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    Re: Obama administration to announce controversial emissions cap on power plants

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    So we should eliminate CO2 from the environment?
    No. The world makes more sense if you don't think of everything in black and white.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Obama administration to announce controversial emissions cap on power plants

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Those catastrophes happen when you start thinking you know what knobs to turn in the environment.
    We're already turning knobs. Capping carbon emissions means we turn them less, which you seem to agree is a good thing.

    What level is excessive? What should the climate be? We don't know enough about the climate to even accurately guess what it will be with all the data available to us. Any effort we take on such a damn fool endeavor will be plagued by unintended consequences.
    Reducing carbon emissions means that we leave the climate up to nature as much as possible. Wouldn't you agree letting nature take its course is the best bet, seeing as how we don't understand those dials we are currently fiddling with?
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Obama administration to announce controversial emissions cap on power plants

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    What level is excessive?
    400ppm is definitely excessive. There hasn't been that much CO2 in the atmosphere in about 3 million years.


    What should the climate be?
    It shouldn't be thrown out of whack by human actions. Prior to us spewing gigatons of CO2 into the atmosphere, the atmosphere was pretty much at an equilibrium.




    We don't know enough about the climate to even accurately guess what it will be with all the data available to us. Any effort we take on such a damn fool endeavor will be plagued by unintended consequences.
    We already have a pretty good idea.

    In terms of "unintended consequences," that is much bigger issue if we have to resort to geoengineering projects in order to reduce global temperatures. Cutting back on man-made CO2 is pretty much the opposite of that -- it's a mitigation process.

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    Re: Obama administration to announce controversial emissions cap on power plants

    Quote Originally Posted by Verax View Post
    Yes, that way all the plants die which is the ultimate goal of the Nazi Progressive movement.

    Or we could regulate it to avoid excessive levels and the negative consequences that come with it.
    But, let's not regulate it to the point where the economy suffers.
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    Re: Obama administration to announce controversial emissions cap on power plants

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    But, let's not regulate it to the point where the economy suffers.
    If reduced crop yields from a changing climate put human lives at risk, how much economic damage are you willing to accept?
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Obama administration to announce controversial emissions cap on power plants

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    If reduced crop yields from a changing climate put human lives at risk, how much economic damage are you willing to accept?
    What about the reduced crop yields from the government shutting off the water to farmers?

    You people will do anything to the American people in order to further your agenda.
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    Re: Obama administration to announce controversial emissions cap on power plants

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    What about the reduced crop yields from the government shutting off the water to farmers?

    You people will do anything to the American people in order to further your agenda.
    Water isn't carbon dioxide. Don't try to deflect. This thread is about carbon dioxide, not your silly conspiracy theories about liberals trying to control your drinking water.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Obama administration to announce controversial emissions cap on power plants

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Those catastrophes happen when you start thinking you know what knobs to turn in the environment.

    What level is excessive? What should the climate be? We don't know enough about the climate to even accurately guess what it will be with all the data available to us. Any effort we take on such a damn fool endeavor will be plagued by unintended consequences.
    Climate science has this all pegged. There is no question this rapid warming is much, much too fast and the way to slow it down is by reducing carbon emissions. Every molecule of extra carbon we release into the atmosphere adds to the problem. Cutting the incredibly out of historical balance carbon level is the right first step regardless of any pinpoint exact values you would want to conjure up.

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