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    Re: Obama administration to announce controversial emissions cap on power plants

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    We need to help China with their transition? Say what you really mean....U.S. taxpayers need to pay for it. You are willing to make people poor and decrease their standard of living with less consumption and exuberant prices for energy while forcing them to pay for others to "conform" to this so called science that is unsettled. What a scam to bring about global governance.
    Its a tough deal but part of it will involve sharing technology and possibly some subsidies. This is how grown ups do business. We accept the circumstances for what they are and take necessary action to correct problems and make the best of the situation.

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    Re: Obama administration to announce controversial emissions cap on power plants

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    Its a tough deal but part of it will involve sharing technology and possibly some subsidies. This is how grown ups do business. We accept the circumstances for what they are and take necessary action to correct problems and make the best of the situation.
    Garbage. The tech has long been shared. The Chinese still allow open pit mining and about 15% of their coal resources are alight. Look into coal seam fires.

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    Re: Obama administration to announce controversial emissions cap on power plants

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    Its a tough deal but part of it will involve sharing technology and possibly some subsidies. This is how grown ups do business. We accept the circumstances for what they are and take necessary action to correct problems and make the best of the situation.
    Thinking minds usually make decisions when all the facts are in. Not on a group of scientists who are affiliated with the United Nations and socialist countries whose vision of the future is a world without borders. In order for that to occur there needs to be a way redistribution of wealth can be obtained globally. Presto!..... the sky is falling, Armegeddon Climate Change is born. Currently only 1/3 of the people on the planet believe this happy horse poop. More and more members of the Church of the Environmentalists are leaving the fold. And that's a good thing.

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    Re: Obama administration to announce controversial emissions cap on power plants

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    Not if they've effectively transferred that authority to the executive branch. Oftentimes when crafting legislation, they identify very general goals and give authority to a committee or agency to work out the specifics.
    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    That does seem to be the way it's going, give more and more power to the executive branch. Congress already abdicated the power to declare war, and now seem willing to allow the president the power to impose regulations that will cost the nation trillions over time. That's just not how the Constitution set up the balance of powers.
    Not only that, the EPA is legally required to do something about carbon dioxide emissions. CO2 fits the EPA's definition of a pollutant. Congress requires them to regulate air pollutants. The Bush administration dodged this requirement for a while, but eventually the supreme court stepped in and said "Hey, the law says you have to deal with this, so deal with this."

    On CO2, the right wingers had their chance. They had ample opportunity to get on board with a market-based solution, modeled after the system used to reduce lead content in gasoline and sulfur dioxide emissions. It was designed under the Reagan administration, implemented under the Bush Sr administration, and expanded upon by Bush Jr's administration. John McCain and Sarah Palin campaigned on this system during the 2008 elections. Other GOP presidential hopefuls of the time like Tim Pawlenty and Mike Huckabee supported such a system. Newt Gingrich support such a system. With lead and sulfur dioxide, this system worked faster and more efficiently than the expected "command and control" system the Democrats were supporting at the time, a fact that the GOP has often lauded. But when it came time to actually do it, a Democrat was in office, so the entire GOP united against it.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Obama administration to announce controversial emissions cap on power plants

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    This is typical begging the question. IF you accept that CO2 is "pollution" then the US is unclean.

    But CO2 isn't pollution.
    Accepting the premise of AGW, yes, CO2 is a pollutant under the EPA's definition, which is why they are required to regulate it.

    I know you don't accept the premise of AGW, but the EPA does not base its definition on your personal opinion.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Obama administration to announce controversial emissions cap on power plants

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Not only that, the EPA is legally required to do something about carbon dioxide emissions. CO2 fits the EPA's definition of a pollutant. Congress requires them to regulate air pollutants. The Bush administration dodged this requirement for a while, but eventually the supreme court stepped in and said "Hey, the law says you have to deal with this, so deal with this."

    On CO2, the right wingers had their chance. They had ample opportunity to get on board with a market-based solution, modeled after the system used to reduce lead content in gasoline and sulfur dioxide emissions. It was designed under the Reagan administration, implemented under the Bush Sr administration, and expanded upon by Bush Jr's administration. John McCain and Sarah Palin campaigned on this system during the 2008 elections. Other GOP presidential hopefuls of the time like Tim Pawlenty and Mike Huckabee supported such a system. Newt Gingrich support such a system. With lead and sulfur dioxide, this system worked faster and more efficiently than the expected "command and control" system the Democrats were supporting at the time, a fact that the GOP has often lauded. But when it came time to actually do it, a Democrat was in office, so the entire GOP united against it.
    How can carbon dioxide possibly be a pollutant when it is necessary for life? Without it, the Earth would be a frozen planet and would support no life at all. It's no more a pollutant than water vapor, which BTW, is also a powerful greenhouse gas.

    Anyway, as more and more power plants switch from coal to natural gas as the more economic alternative, the carbon reductions should follow without the EPA stepping in at all.
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    Re: Obama administration to announce controversial emissions cap on power plants

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    How can carbon dioxide possibly be a pollutant when it is necessary for life? Without it, the Earth would be a frozen planet and would support no life at all. It's no more a pollutant than water vapor, which BTW, is also a powerful greenhouse gas.

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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Obama administration to announce controversial emissions cap on power plants

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Accepting the premise of AGW, yes, CO2 is a pollutant under the EPA's definition, which is why they are required to regulate it.

    I know you don't accept the premise of AGW, but the EPA does not base its definition on your personal opinion.

    So we should eliminate CO2 from the environment?
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    Re: Obama administration to announce controversial emissions cap on power plants

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Thinking minds usually make decisions when all the facts are in. Not on a group of scientists who are affiliated with the United Nations and socialist countries whose vision of the future is a world without borders. In order for that to occur there needs to be a way redistribution of wealth can be obtained globally. Presto!..... the sky is falling, Armegeddon Climate Change is born. Currently only 1/3 of the people on the planet believe this happy horse poop. More and more members of the Church of the Environmentalists are leaving the fold. And that's a good thing.
    Thinking minds huh? Do thinking minds also question the idea that all the scientists in the world are part of a global hoax to steal money in a socialist plot? Sounds kind of silly doesn't it? Seems kind of unlikely doesn't it? Seems like the logistics of such a thing would be almost impossible wouldn't it?

    Throughout history there have been hundreds if not thousands of examples of the public rejecting the findings of scientists because it is convenient. Scientists have been persecuted for this for centuries. It took twenty years for society to start to take action and stop putting lead in gasoline from the time it was discovered it was a terrible pollutant. Look into how the fossil fuel industry behaved in that instance, then ask yourself if they might do something like that again, with global warming.

    How many times have scientists been caught falsifying research on a grand scale to try and manipulate the public into a financial trap? I can't think of a single time.

    Now tell me, what would thinking minds find to be the more likely scenario?

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    Re: Obama administration to announce controversial emissions cap on power plants

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    So we should eliminate CO2 from the environment?
    Yes, that way all the plants die which is the ultimate goal of the Nazi Progressive movement.

    Or we could regulate it to avoid excessive levels and the negative consequences that come with it.

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